| Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46812] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 02:16  |
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Peace everybody.
In my early conversion I was lucky to purchase last copy in Amazon by Ahmed Deedat “Al-Quran The Ultimate Miracle” which is very informative book. In acknowledgement he wrote “… the great servant of Islam –Dr.Rashad Khalifah Ph.D”
I am aware that he changed his mind but I do not know for what reason. Removing 128-129 or Rashad claimed as one in 3:81
Your information would be appreciated as I am very interested to know.
Peace.
Al-Qur'un The Ultimate Miracle.
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| Re: Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46813 is a reply to message #46812 ] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 08:54  |
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Peace
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/954
I did not know he has passed way.
Praise be to God for this screen , just googled :
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Deedat/deedat.html
"And now Rashad Khalifa, Deedat's GURU number 2, says in his recent bulletin called, " MUSLIM PERSPECTIVE " that the last two verses in the Qur'an in Sura nine are false, and should not form part of the Qur'an! - Muslim perspective - April, 1985. Muslims all over the world are labelling Rashad Khalifa as a Murtad, some say he is a Kafer, others say, he is a Munafiq, still others say he is not a Muslim, and is outside the pale of Islam. Now if Ahmed Deedat has derived his Islamic knowledge from such a dubious authority as Khalifa, then it stands to reason that Deedat has no first hand knowledge of ISLAM at all and that his ( Deedat's ) knowledge of Islam is not only shallow and second hand, but DANGEROUS.
Al-Qur'un The Ultimate Miracle.
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| Re: Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46819 is a reply to message #46813 ] |
Thu, 31 January 2008 09:45 |
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 Pierre
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Salaam to all,
We will probably never know if Deedat, deep in himself, really died rejecting Rashad and the miracle of 19 or not. He was paralysed in the late years of his life and could only communicate with his son through signs, he had plenty of time to think about the issue of 19 and others, without even having to fear shane or rejection from anyone.
Apparently he did reject and denounced his own book on 19 after Rashad brought the issue of the false verses.
And for sure, whatever he was really standing for, he did not have the guts to accept openly the truth at the very least before he was paralysed.
It is thanks to Deedat's book that I was first introduced to 19. I was eventually persecuted for accepting all the implications of the miracle, I would have rather died than to reject it. By the grace of God and unlike Deedat I went all the way through standing openly for the truth.
God is the only judge, Deedat just like all of us will be judged fairly by the Most Merciful.
Peace.
Pierre
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| Re: Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46860 is a reply to message #46844 ] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 11:30 |
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Mehdi
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Salam Dear Bahman,
The answer to your question is in page 1 and 3 of the October 1988 Muslim Perspective edition (attached document). You can see that Deedat did not accept the declaration of messengership of Rachad announced in May 1988. I am not aware of any manifestation of Deedat re: the removal of 2 verses from Quran which was announced in February 1985.
Salam,
Mehdi
17:111
Say, :"Praise is to God, who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness" Glorify Him greatly.
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| Re: Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46864 is a reply to message #46861 ] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 09:13 |
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Mehdi
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Dear Pierre,
From the following text that I found in http://submission.org/messenger/announce.html , the very first announcement was not done in the night of destiny. “….When I reached a solid conviction that I must make the announcement, even at the cost of losing my own children and my best friends, I was restored. The following night, I spoke with my daughter during the pre-dawn meal of a Ramadan night, and I was trying to be as diplomatic as I could be. My daughter interrupted, "What are you trying to say, Dad? I knew all along that you are God's messenger." I received the same response from all the believers around me….”
I am not aware of the exact date of the announcement to other believers maybe it’s the night of destiny or maybe not. It does not matter with me. However, some Khalifits would probably try to link the announcement to the night of destiny to make it more powerful.
Salam,
Mehdi
17:111
Say, :"Praise is to God, who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness" Glorify Him greatly.
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| Re: Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46869 is a reply to message #46867 ] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 17:08 |
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Salam dear brother Pierre,
There is some confusion about the Year of Rashad's announcement. Because he announced his messengership before in the Year 1980 first only to his family and some closes believers and keep it hidden for eight years from the Public.
Announcing my messengership was not my idea; it was a command from Al-mighty God. For eight years, I had maintained the same views as those who believe that an announcement was not necessary. I used to think: Why is the announcement necessary?
http://submission.org/messenger/announce.html
Peace,
H. O.
| Pierre wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 23:37 |
Salaam dear Mehdi,
Thanks for your enlightening response. It is true the day does not really matter, what matters is that he accepted officially the responsability. It is interesting though, for the record, that it happened during a month of Ramadan, eventhough it was not the night of Destiny.
Peace.
Pierre
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"لا اله الا الله"
"الله اكبر"
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| Re: Why Ahmed Deedat changed mind? [message #46874 is a reply to message #46872 ] |
Fri, 08 February 2008 03:22 |
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Dear brother Pierre,
All information concerning messengership and the announcement was given by Rashad in his Appendix and some of the Videotapes.
Since his Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in 1971 Rashad became the feeling he is the messenger of the Covenant, (3:81 33:7) this feeling to grow stronger especially after the unveiling Quran’s mathematical miracle in the Year 1974 A.D. (74:1-30). However he has not the courage to announce his messengership at this time (5:67).
It was God’s will Rashad unveiled the End of the World (15:85-87 20:15 72:26, 27) in the Year 1980 A.D. or 1400 A. H., firstly in a Friday Prayer (8, 8, 1980).
The reason for that, he well knows if he doesn’t announce messengership he will punish by God. Since his another experiment although reading the Quran randomly, every time he opened a verse, a punishment or a disbeliever was addressed directly, this was the final case for him to announce his messengership immediately. Praise be to God, lord of the Universe.
Peace,
H. O.
"لا اله الا الله"
"الله اكبر"
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