| The Chronicle Sequence of The Prophets Mentioned in The Quran! [message #34613] |
Thu, 02 March 2006 14:47  |
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H@S@N OZTURK
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Salamun Alaykum,
Critics, advise or any suggest about the table, please post it here or in Turkish forum section.
God bless.
H. O.
"لا اله الا الله"
"الله اكبر"
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| Re: Ynt: Re: The Chronicle Sequence of The Prophets Mentioned in The Quran! [message #44329 is a reply to message #44306 ] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 02:16  |
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 NADIR
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Peace dear Ycoskun,
I could find in the Arabic Quran 15 occurrences of the word ‘’OKHT’’ (both in singular, dual or plural form):
4:12, 4:23, 4:23, 4:23, 4:23, 4:176,
7:38, 19:28, 20:40,
24:31, 24:31, 24:31, 24:61,
28:11, 33:55.
Notice that the word ‘’OKHT’’ is not masculine word but feminine word!
Of course it is not easy to accept the word "okhta" as "follower". The translation of RK seems strange to me:
19: 28. “O descendant of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother unchaste.”I wonder if RK translation is the SOLE to accept SISTER = Descendent?
Did you read another translation who accept SISTER = Descendent?
Peace.
Peace be upon you!
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| Re: Ynt: Re: Ynt: Re: The Chronicle Sequence of The Prophets Mentioned in The Quran! [message #44348 is a reply to message #44335 ] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 01:34 |
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NADIR
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Peace dear Ycoskun,
I agree with you for the word "okth".
I could verify the majority of your counting but I did not find mistake.
Just one last question about the verses 6:89!
In 2005, I was discussing the profound meaning of 6:89 with some French followers of Rashad and they surprisingly agreed that according to the translation of 6:89, all the messengers cited in the verses 6:84-86 were PROPHETS and received BOOKS from God.
Of course, the first consequence of this understanding is that the number of prophets mentioned in the Quran is 20 and the Holy Quran is the 19th scripture.
One of my questions to the French followers was :<<Why do you not consider that the first word of 6:89 (THOSE) correspond to THESE PEOPLE of 6:87-88 and not necessarily to the MESSENGERS cited in the verses [84-86] before!>>
Their best answer was: <<God did not give scripture to THESE PEOPLE! He gives scripture to PROPHETS only!>>
Then I could understand exactly why they made this interpretation. It was just because God may give scripture only to prophets not to other people!
In my last answer to them, I quoted 45:16 where God clearly gives scripture to people but they did not respond anymore!
45: 16. We have given the Children of Israel the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood, and provided them with good provisions; we bestowed upon them more blessings than any other people.
45:16 And We had given the Children of Israel the Scripture, and the judgment, and the prophethood, and We provided them with good provisions; and We preferred them over the worlds.
Of course, we are not going to consider all the Children of Israel as prophet?
However, if you read carefully 6:83-89 in Arabic, you will comprehend that the SCRIPTURE is given to these people mentioned in 6:87-88, NOT necessarily the MESSENGERS mentioned in 6:84-86.
Let consider the PM translation and RK translation of 6:89:
-RK translation of 6: 89. THOSE were the ones to whom we have given the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood. If THESE PEOPLE disbelieve, we will substitute others in their place, and the new people will not be disbelievers.
- PM translation 6: 89. Those to whom We have given the Scripture, and the law, and the prophethood, if they reject it, then We will entrust it to a people who will not reject it.
It seems more correct
Note that the PM translation is clearer and nearer to Arabic text than RK translation!
Peace.
Peace be upon you!
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