| Do we bath after orgasm or only wash what is dirty. [message #47131] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 09:22  |
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 AMAZIGH
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Peace for all :
If we look at the verse 6 of chapter 5, we can read:
5 :6 oh you who believe, if you rise to perform prayer/connection/communion, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are in orgasm (intercourse), wash/clean yourself. And if you are ill, or travelling, or you have excreted, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you have not find water, wipe clean solid; wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَاةِ فَاغْسِلُوا وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُوا بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَيْنِ وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّرُوا وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَرْضَىٰ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِنْكُمْ مِنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لَامَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ مِنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَٰكِنْ يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ.
According to the above verse, if you have excreted or touched women, and you find not water you shall wash with clean solid, but if there is water shall bath even if you are only excreted, since sexual intercourse and excretion are in same level.
The most translators render ightassilou an ittahirou “bath”, and most muslim do not bath after excretion. We feel all the impurity after orgasm but not after excretion, why?!
There is also another verse:
2:222
And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves.
I have never seen people wait until their women bath to do intercourse but, menstruation end and wash the dirty.
2:222
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ التَّوَّابِينَ وَيُحِبُّ الْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ
There is another verse 4:43:
O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know what you say, nor when you are in orgasm -- unless (you are) travelling -- until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth, then wipe your faces and your hands; surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.
4 :43
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَقْرَبُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَأَنْتُمْ سُكَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِي سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَرْضَىٰ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِنْكُمْ مِنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لَامَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا.
In this verse jounaben (orgasm) is taken lonely, but intercourse and excretion are in same level.
God advised us to do intercourse when we would with our wives (2:223), and Our lord told us that there is no difficulty in His system. In my opinion if intercourse involve bath it’s a difficulty especially in cold area with no means.
I am not good in English, I would have exposed more in detail this topic, I hope that you can decrypt my message and I wait your comments.
Peace upon those who follow guidance.
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| Re: Do we bath after orgasm or only wash what is dirty. [message #47144 is a reply to message #47131 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 11:37  |
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Peace.
Quran is revealed for all generation beyond end of world. The messages for time and location. Hygienic messages are for those living with not enough water to take daily or second daily shower with colorized and clean water. Messages are time and location. I think those messages are for condition you live in desert with minimum water available and no bathing for weeks not for those that bathing daily and do their bathing after sex without referring to books due to knowledge in granted brain.
Many rules and laws of Quran belongs to past and there messages for future too.
Peace.
Al-Qur'un The Ultimate Miracle.
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| Re: Do we bath after orgasm or only wash what is dirty. [message #47149 is a reply to message #47131 ] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 13:46 |
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I will first say that from feedback I get, answers do not always result in people practicing them. Seeking answers can be a good way to fulfil some form of entertainment or even emptiness. So people asking questions should not be made to feel stupid or fools. On the other hand acting stupid or foolish is different.
To find answers could be easy. I have found in the Quran verses comprising of object, subject and consequence. Stability in the brain is a talent in linking the subject and consequnce to the object: "O you who believe.."
So from this verse depending on the depth of submission to God and faith a person acts on the verses accordingly.
Those who are little in faith and tend to compromise their belief, will orgasm and not clean, bath or whatever thinking God will forgive them regardless.
Those who are committed to God at the highest level will orgasm and then shower immediately without hesitation.
The angels record all actions of the human whether the present is before, during or after. With this in mind the ranking of people in Gods Eyes is the only thing that matters. Those who have a lot of motivation shown by their commitment to the commandments of God will be rewarded with more energy and motivation.
Some will wake up in the morning feeling burdened by the world and resort to more sleeping thinking it will get better. Others will spring into life without any fear with the loving support from God that they can take on anything and everything.
As for washing without water, since it is mentioned in the Quran it will be experienced by every human once or more in their lifetime. People tend to think if they have access to clean water then it is something guaranteed for life. No its not.
Using the earth or soil to wash will be bourne out from a sequence of calamities directed by God. Someone you know, a friend or relative may become very ill and you have to visit them. You go but did not expect unfamiliar territory or environment. The bus you are travelling breaks down and its time to prayer and you drank all the water you had. What do you in this circumstance? Do prayer without doing tayamum expecting the best or do tayamum and then prayer? Or do you not prayer at all?
It may be an open or philosophical answer but based on your faith and motivation you will reflect and act accordingly under such a circumstance.
Peace upon those who decide to follow guidance.
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| Re: Do we bath after orgasm or only wash what is dirty. [message #47270 is a reply to message #47193 ] |
Sat, 17 May 2008 02:11 |
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Well in the new testament Jesus mentions a debacle creature of God referred as the unclean spirits . These creatures are known to us as jinns.
They make up any excuse to be unclean. When the decision is made everything goes wrong for them and no is there to help them. Who wants to help disgusting creatures?
You can see them from a distance, they are ugly as sin.
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