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Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48035] Sun, 27 July 2008 03:54 Go to next message
  tarikh  is currently offline tarikh
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Peace2all. One question to submitters of the early days (days of rk)
Was rk's movement the only quran alone movement or were there any other movements? I've seen most of rk's videos, i think the guy was pretty sincere.
Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48038 is a reply to message #48035 ] Sun, 27 July 2008 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  NADIR  is currently offline NADIR
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Peace,
RK was 100% SINCERE but he was only a human being, a WONDERFUL human being! All the submitters accepted that!
The problem concern less than 1% of his ideas. The most intelligent of submitter people have to try to correct these mistakes…
The most difficult task is our consensus…


Peace be upon you!
Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48039 is a reply to message #48035 ] Sun, 27 July 2008 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  tarikh  is currently offline tarikh
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Peace. I'm gonna tell u something. When i watch rk videos from submission.ws i wished i was into quran alone at that time. The 80ies were a wonderful moment in the history of mankind. It seems that everything went wrong after rk's death.
i think that rk's words are deep. Ex. When he asks "who was your God last saturday?"
So my initial question ip where were his opponents (ex. the free minds) when he courageously defended his beliefs everywhere. He wasn't afraid2show his face whereas the free mind people are faceless. They hide.
Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48044 is a reply to message #48035 ] Sun, 27 July 2008 08:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Peace again,

From 14 centuries, there was no such monotheist groups as today, and the origin was Rashad + his code 19 (historically speaking). Religiously speaking, they had increased the faith of the faithful.
The man + the code have done more that 14 centuries of isolated thinkers, it was maybe the only manner to change traditions in the 20th century.
Free-minds is only a consequence of that movement.

Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48092 is a reply to message #48044 ] Mon, 28 July 2008 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Edip Yuksel  is currently offline Edip Yuksel
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Though there were small groups of Quran aloners around the world even before Rashad started his mission in late 1970's, they all had great holes and inconsistencies in their theological arguments.

First, through discovery of the code, the monotheist movement gained a powerful philosophical argument that cut their umbilical cord from the crowd. Before the discovery of the code in 1974, the proponents of the Quran alone message had to trust the crowd, since the authenticity of the Quran was thought to be dependent on the reliability of their ancestors. Accusing the same crowd of fabricating so many hadith, but at the same time heavily relying on the version of the Quran they have transmitted, and at the same time ignoring all those reports about the burning of the original Quran and disputes on some chapters and verses was contradictory and hunting. Code 19 is a divine blessing for monotheists.

Second, for the first time in centuries, Rashad made the strongest argument, thanks to his impressive insight to the Quranic language and powerful reasoning, for rejecting ALL hadith as authority in islam. His book, QURAN, HADITH and ISLAM I think is the most influential book in modern history.

Peace,
Edip

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Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48094 is a reply to message #48035 ] Mon, 28 July 2008 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  tarikh  is currently offline tarikh
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Peace, but wasn't Rashad a traditionalist first-He became a quranaloner whilst being blessed with the miracle?
I began to understand more of his points by watching his videos on my mobile at night, the debate with dr a r salem is awesome. His videos are very instructive. Messengers are not perfect. If they were perfect and all looked like johnny depp/brad pitt/tom cruise, people would worship them literally. Already they've never seen the prophet but yet they adore him.
Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48154 is a reply to message #48092 ] Wed, 30 July 2008 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  MembersoftheHigh_assembly  is currently offline MembersoftheHigh_assembly
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Edip did you really write this?? I mean are these your own words??? (not that of an assistant?)

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Though there were small groups of Quran aloners around the world even before Rashad started his mission in late 1970's, they all had great holes and inconsistencies in their theological arguments.

First, through discovery of the code, the monotheist movement gained a powerful philosophical argument that cut their umbilical cord from the crowd. Before the discovery of the code in 1974, the proponents of the Quran alone message had to trust the crowd, since the authenticity of the Quran was thought to be dependent on the reliability of their ancestors. Accusing the same crowd of fabricating so many hadith, but at the same time heavily relying on the version of the Quran they have transmitted, and at the same time ignoring all those reports about the burning of the original Quran and disputes on some chapters and verses was contradictory and hunting. Code 19 is a divine blessing for monotheists.

Second, for the first time in centuries, Rashad made the strongest argument, thanks to his impressive insight to the Quranic language and powerful reasoning, for rejecting ALL hadith as authority in islam. His book, QURAN, HADITH and ISLAM I think is the most influential book in modern history.

Peace,
Edip
Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48428 is a reply to message #48035 ] Sun, 31 August 2008 03:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Joseph  is currently offline Joseph
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Peace

The messengers and adherents of the quran were here before Rashad, and as Edip mentions the inconsistencies in the groups before Rahsad the Submitters have also tended to be such with the ahadeeth of Rahsad and the persistence of Traditional practices that are not necessary. But honestly, I have yet to see completely consistent systems that the quran fits like a shoe.

Joe


Remember...whatever path you choose in life ALWAYS be true to yourself.
Re: Where were the freeminds when RK preached Quran Alone? [message #48460 is a reply to message #48154 ] Sun, 07 September 2008 00:25 Go to previous message
  Edip Yuksel  is currently offline Edip Yuksel
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Yes, these are mine. I have an idea what part you might have problem with. But, I will let you express it first.

Peace,
Edip


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