| Do we bath after orgasm or only wash what is dirty. [message #47131] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 09:22  |
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 AMAZIGH
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Peace for all :
If we look at the verse 6 of chapter 5, we can read:
5 :6 oh you who believe, if you rise to perform prayer/connection/communion, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are in orgasm (intercourse), wash/clean yourself. And if you are ill, or travelling, or you have excreted, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you have not find water, wipe clean solid; wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَاةِ فَاغْسِلُوا وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُوا بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَيْنِ وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّرُوا وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَرْضَىٰ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِنْكُمْ مِنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لَامَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ مِنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَٰكِنْ يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ.
According to the above verse, if you have excreted or touched women, and you find not water you shall wash with clean solid, but if there is water shall bath even if you are only excreted, since sexual intercourse and excretion are in same level.
The most translators render ightassilou an ittahirou “bath”, and most muslim do not bath after excretion. We feel all the impurity after orgasm but not after excretion, why?!
There is also another verse:
2:222
And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves.
I have never seen people wait until their women bath to do intercourse but, menstruation end and wash the dirty.
2:222
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ التَّوَّابِينَ وَيُحِبُّ الْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ
There is another verse 4:43:
O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know what you say, nor when you are in orgasm -- unless (you are) travelling -- until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth, then wipe your faces and your hands; surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.
4 :43
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَقْرَبُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَأَنْتُمْ سُكَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِي سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا وَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَرْضَىٰ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِنْكُمْ مِنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لَامَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا.
In this verse jounaben (orgasm) is taken lonely, but intercourse and excretion are in same level.
God advised us to do intercourse when we would with our wives (2:223), and Our lord told us that there is no difficulty in His system. In my opinion if intercourse involve bath it’s a difficulty especially in cold area with no means.
I am not good in English, I would have exposed more in detail this topic, I hope that you can decrypt my message and I wait your comments.
Peace upon those who follow guidance.
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