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I THINK THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINAI MUST GO ON. WHT DO YOU SAY? [message #18626]

Tue, 25 January 2005 04:55

bobby
Messages: 1020
Registered: November 2002

Dependent

THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINA[ 12 vote(s) ]

1. is somewhat ok but not good enough 1 / 8%
2. has created doubts in my mind 0 / 0%
3. has helped in increasing my faith 0 / 0%
4. has failed to show any significance 1 / 8%
5. must go on under any circumstances 2 / 17%
6. is a complete waste of time 5 / 42%
7. should be stopped 0 / 0%
8. is not worth anymore 1 / 8%
9. must go on 2 / 17%

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Re: I THINK THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINAI MUST GO ON. WHT DO YOU SAY? [message #18645 is a reply to message #18626 ]

Tue, 25 January 2005 09:31

Ash Shuura
Messages: 147
Registered: May 2003

Reader

Salaam,

Continuing the debate may cause more harm than good. Such a provocative person he is likely to go into print and if his posts are anything to go by, he is going to engage in character assasination. Luckily his crowd of humanist bigots who are hypocrites to their own golden rule worship him. They do not question the assertions being made and readily accept it as a fact. In turn he worships his own ego and he has made it clear his intentions are beyond building an understanding but to capitalise on the exchange. It was apparent before the debate started that his sole motivations were money and probably to serve his preconceived notions.

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Re: I THINK THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINAI MUST GO ON. WHT DO YOU SAY? [message #18648 is a reply to message #18626 ]

Tue, 25 January 2005 10:11

Shake Down
Messages: 20
Registered: December 2004

Beginner

I think it should go on. I know that the FFI followers will not be change but I'd like to see it so that I learn something. I have debated many on the FFI fourm, they have the habit of using hadiths and/or changing the subject. They love to ask questions but usually do answer when you ask one. It is a biased bigoted crowd at that site. However, if a debate can be narrowed to defined topics I'm all for it.

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Re: I THINK THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINAI MUST GO ON. WHT DO YOU SAY? [message #18663 is a reply to message #18648 ]

Tue, 25 January 2005 21:40

Edip Yuksel
Messages: 3143
Registered: June 2002
Location: Arizona

Independent

Dear Shake Down:

I gave a break until February 19 and I will move the debate to 19.org, since there was too much noise there. Besides, Ali is chopping my answers and depriving some of my points from their context by eliminating the quotations in them. He also skipped some important points of debate without leaving any trace that he had skipped them.

I will inshallah briefly refute his latest answer and start answering their criticism to the Quran.

Peace;
Edip

Edip Yuksel; J.D.
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Not a serious opponent [message #18665 is a reply to message #18626 ]

Tue, 25 January 2005 22:32

Muhammad
Messages: 320
Registered: March 2004

Thinker

Ali Sina is a good practice punching bag for our intellectual muscles, why not? Exercise is always good. Very Happy

p.s - this bag is quite a stiff one, Edip, dont strain your muscles on it please.

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Re: I THINK THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINAI MUST GO ON. WHT DO YOU SAY? [message #18671 is a reply to message #18626 ]

Tue, 25 January 2005 23:58

Oben
Messages: 345
Registered: December 2003
Location: Australia

Thinker

Peace all,

The problem with a debate with Ali Sina is that he uses very general unsupported statements as part of his 'debating' style. Nevertheless here is his list of charges which he wants to debate.

"Ali Sina's charges"

I accused Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a looter
a mentally disturbed (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

Now the so called charges are based on ahadeeth - for example the pedophile charge is only through these narrations. We are not told the ages, names or number of 'wives' that the messenger had.

To 'debate' Ali he would have to declare what his sources for these charges are. The charge of pedophilia thus must be dropped but Ali believes in the ahadeeth as much as a hard-core Sunni as they are essential to his nonsense arguments.

I think a debate is therefore futile.

Regards.

"My Lord, direct me to be appreciative of the blessings You have bestowed upon me and my parents, and to do the righteous works that please You. Admit me by Your mercy into the company of Your righteous servants." 27:19

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Re: I THINK THE DEBATE BETWEEN BRO EDIP AND ALI SINAI MUST GO ON. WHT DO YOU SAY? [message #18715 is a reply to message #18671 ]

Wed, 26 January 2005 10:42

Nural Amin
Messages: 192
Registered: November 2004
Location: Britain

Writer

Peace,

Ali Sina has exposed his true nature and intent, I think he should be ignored because people with sense know he is a man obsessed with hadith. Without the hadith he has no weapons in a debate so there is really no point because he will just discuss that and not the Quran. It would be like constantly debating with a traditionalist, it can go on forever and they will just talk gobbledygook throughout.

Nural

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