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Another Mathematical Miracle From Sura 1 [message #29665]

Sun, 06 November 2005 18:08

bashkabiri
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Registered: July 2005

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Is it a real miracle?[ 11 vote(s) ]

1. I'm not sure, maybe. 2 / 18%
2. No,it is a non-sense. 4 / 36%
3. Yes,it is a miracle 5 / 45%

This article will introduce you a mathematical system which indicates the five daily Contact Prayers.It is based on the first 5 verses of Sura 1, The Key.

Let's try to arrange these 5 verses in the following way.To determine which verse to put to the 1st,2nd....Nth place,let's add (2xN) to number 1.If the number obtained is greater than 5,start counting from 1.For instance,for number 7,count 1,2,3,4,5,1,2---->2.

You will obtain:

For the 1. place, N = 1 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 1 ) = 3
For the 2. place, N = 2 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 2 ) = 5
For the 3. place, N = 3 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 3 ) = 7---->1,2,3,4,5,1,2
For the 4. place, N = 4 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 4 ) = 9---->1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4
For the 5. place, N = 5 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 5 ) = 11--->1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1

Consequently, for places 12345 put verses 35241.

The following table summarizes the system described, where the verses are given by their [sura.nr : verse nr.] .The SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE figure points out the sequence number of the verse in the other arrangement.For example, for verse 1:1, the SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE 5 indicates,that verse 1:1 is on the 5th place in the other arrangement (35241) of verses.Similarly, at the right-hand side of the table, for verse 1:1, the SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE 1 indicates,that verse 1:1 is on the 1st place in the other arrangement (12345) of verses:

..First 5 verses.........SEQUENCE NR. OTHER TABLE......First 5 verses(35241 seq.)

1:1...........................5...................3...........................................1:3

1:2...........................3...................5...........................................1:5

1:3...........................1...................2...........................................1:2

1:4...........................4...................4...........................................1:4

1:5...........................2...................1...........................................1:1

This is a system characterized by number 17.It consists of the first 5 verses of Quran.These 5 verses again consist of 17 words.The first 17 words of Quran. Let's look at these numbers,which are the 4 columns of the above table :

11 12 13 14 15 = 17 x 65419495

13 15 12 14 11 = 17 x 77360083

3 5 2 4 1 = 17 x 2073

5 3 1 4 2 = 17 x 3126

The first 5 verses of Sura 1 consist of 4,4,2,3,4 arabic words respectively:

4+4+2+3+4 = 17

But also 44234 = 17 x 2602

Now,try to answer this question. " What do the numbers 5 , 17 and 4 4 2 3 4 remind you of ?"

Yes...The total number of units of the 5 daily Salat prayers is 17.These units of daily Salat prayers consist of 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 units, a total of 17 units.

However,the units (Rak'aas) of daily Salat prayers are not in their right sequence.No problem.Arrange the 4,4,2,3,4 according to the 35241 sequence.You will get 2,4,4,3,4.

44234------(35241 seq.)-----> 24434

24434 = 19 x 1286 ( 1+2+8+6 = 2+4+4+3+4 = 17 )

IF YOU REARRANGE THE NUMBERS 4,4,2,3,4, WHICH GIVE THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF WORDS OF THE FIRST 5 VERSES OF SURA 1 RESPECTIVELY, AND WRITE THEM ACC. TO THE 35241 SEQUENCE.THAT IS, CHANGE THE TOTAL NR. OF WORDS OF EACH VERSE FROM 12345 SEQUENCE TO 35241 SEQUENCE, YOU OBTAIN 24434.A FACT WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN INDICATED BY THE FOLLOWING NUMBER:

1234535241 = 19 x 64975539

Now we have one problem left.

Is our way of obtaining the number 35241 not arbitrary ? Does this number 35241 have any meaning?

There is A GREAT MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE pointing out that 35241 is a choosen number.

But before presenting the mathematical system, let me explain some points briefly to ensure that you understand it correctly.

1- There are 2 tables.Table 1 contains figures belonging to the first 5 verses of sura 1,which have been arranged acc.to 12345 sequence.Table 2 includes the same figures,but acc. to 35241 sequence.You can examine them:

TABLE1.________________________ _________TABLE2.

TOPLAM TOPLAM TOPLAM_ DİĞER TABLO_________DİĞER TABLO TOPLAM TOPLAM TOPLAM

KELİME__ HARF__ EBCED_ SIRA NOSU:___________SIRA NOSU: HARF__ EBCED__ KELİME

4..............19...........786...........5...........................................3...........12.........618.............2

4..............17...........581...........3...........................................5...........19.........836.............4
2..............12...........618...........1...........................................2...........17.........581.............4
3..............11...........241...........4...........................................4...........11.........241.............3
4..............19...........836...........2...........................................1...........19.........786.............4

TOPLAM KELİME = TOTAL WORDS
TOPLAM HARF = TOTAL LETTERS
TOPLAM EBCED = TOTAL GEMATRICAL VALUE
DİĞER TABLO SIRA NOSU = SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE

2- All numbers that constitute the miraculous number system are formed by putting either TOTAL WORDS column or TOTAL LETTERS/TOTAL GEMATRICAL VALUES columns with the SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE column together.

3- TOTAL LETTERS and TOTAL GEMATRICAL VALUES columns are always together.The general rule,that all numbers in the system obey is that in 12345 sequence, TOTAL GEMATRICAL VALUES column is always adjacent to the SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE column.The reason is that this column is a multiple of 19:

786 581 618 241 836 = 19 x 41399...

Similarly, in 35241 sequence, TOTAL LETTERS column is always adjacent to the SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE column.The reason is that this column is a multiple of 19:

12 19 17 11 19 = 19 x 64166...

4- All numbers formed by putting a column with the SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE column 53142 are multiples of 17.

5- Putting columns together means putting their 5 rows together.For instance:

123
245
342
434
541 = 19 x 648659...

the real number is:

123 245 342 434 541= 19 x 648659...

6- The ACTUAL message of the number system is contained by Table 2.All numbers from this table are multiples of 19.

MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE

TABLE1.________________________ _________TABLE2.

TOPLAM TOPLAM TOPLAM_ DİĞER TABLO_________DİĞER TABLO TOPLAM TOPLAM TOPLAM

KELİME__ HARF__ EBCED_ SIRA NOSU:___________SIRA NOSU: HARF__ EBCED__ KELİME

TABLE2

SIRA TOPLAM TOPLAM _TOPLAM_ DİĞER TABLO_

NO:_ KELİME__ HARF__ EBCED__ SIRA NOSU:

1..........2...........12..........618.....................3
2..........4...........19..........836.....................5
3..........4...........17..........581.....................2
4..........3...........11..........241.....................4
5..........4...........19..........786.....................1

SIRA NO =SEQUENCE NR.
TOPLAM KELİME = TOTAL WORDS
TOPLAM HARF = TOTAL LETTERS
TOPLAM EBCED = TOTAL GEMATRICAL VALUE
DİĞER TABLO SIRA NOSU = SEQUENCE NR in the OTHER TABLE

.............1234535241 = 19 x ..

2
4
4
3
...............4 = 19 x ..

123
245
342
434
...............541 = 19 x ..

21 23
42 45
43 42
34 34
....x19 = 45 41 = 19 x ..

618121 312618
836192 519836
581173 217581
241114 411241
...x19 = 786195 119786 = 19x...

112618618123
219836836195
317581581172
411241241114
..............519786786191 = 19x...

The goal of the whole number system presented above is just to prove you that 35241 is a choosen number.If you just changed the place of a digit in this number (for example 35241 --->53241)and formed the system acc.to the changed number(53241),the whole number system above would collapse.

Please note,that the majority of numbers in the system are pairs of numbers and they are all symmetrical.Even the single numbers support this symmetry.

It is very interesting however, that only one pair of numbers does not maintain symmetry, the one given below:

21 23
42 45
43 42
34 34
....x19 = 45 41 = 19 x ..

This pair of numbers do contain the actual message of the whole system:

The number on the left is formed by writing the total number of units of 5 daily Salat prayers followed by the sequence numbers of the daily Salat prayers (12345).It is a multiple of 19.This red column is replaced by 35241 and the SAME NUMBER (not a symmetrical one) is formed without losing its 19-divisibility,which indicates the ABILITY of these 2 columns to replace each other.

The total number of units of the 1st,2nd,3rd,4th and 5th daily Salat prayers are 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 respectively.As we read "Sura 1" one time in each unit,the numbers 2,4,4,3,4 also give us the total numbers of Sura 1, that we shall read in our 5 daily Salat prayers.

Similarly,the total number of words of the 3rd,5th,2nd,4th and 1st verses of Sura 1 are 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 respectively.

The Key is a well-known sura with its miracles.It is not surprising,that the first 5 verses,and the first 17 words of Sura 1 indicate,how many times we shall read it in our 5 daily Salat prayers.

PS: There are a few numbers which I haven't mentioned in the article in order to avoid any confusion.They are a significant part of the math. system.

[Updated on: Sun, 06 November 2005 18:19]

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another tape recorder [message #29670 is a reply to message #29665 ]

Sun, 06 November 2005 22:04

majnun
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Registered: February 2005
Location: Canada

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Did this brain exercise made you a better
and happier person ? Don't be a repeating
machine, become a spiritual person. Is this
what your scripture commands you to do, to calculate
till you die ?

This only show spiritual powers have left the
Qur'an since a long time ago.

Majnun.

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Re: another tape recorder (this is foolish, actually another piece of interesting research). [message #29686 is a reply to message #29670 ]

Mon, 07 November 2005 06:48

jsnv19
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Registered: November 2005

Beginner

It seems to me, Mr. Majnun, that this is not an exercise that is designed to make someone a better and happier person, but rather, an exercise of exploration into the unique structure of a divine compilation that serves to strenghten one's faith and pride as having it as his or her principle source of guidance in this world. "Calculate till you die"? Where do you come up with this? Is it a piece of simple sarcasm from someone with a dead heart, or are you simply so cynical that all you can say to a rather impressive piece of research is that it is some kind of proof (in your own mind) of diminished spirituality? You seem a very curious individual. Best regards,

jsnv.

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Re: another tape recorder (this is foolish, actually another piece of interesting research). [message #29706 is a reply to message #29686 ]

Mon, 07 November 2005 18:09

majnun
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Location: Canada

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This sort of aritmetic exercise has
nothing to do with spirituality.
It is some sort of earthman projection's.
There is no "divine" things availuable to
men, except maybe the wisdom hidden in scriptures.
And arithmetics do no increase any kind of spiritual orgasms.

Majnun.

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Re: another tape recorder (this is foolish, actually another piece of interesting research). [message #29709 is a reply to message #29706 ]

Mon, 07 November 2005 18:55

jsnv19
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I rest my case.

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Re: another tape recorder (this is foolish, actually another piece of interesting research). [message #29794 is a reply to message #29709 ]

Wed, 09 November 2005 22:14

majnun
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lol

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Re: another tape recorder [message #30556 is a reply to message #29670 ]

Wed, 23 November 2005 15:24

bobby
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Salam,
Yes i believe it is and it also amazingly answers the accusations made against the order 24434 at http://www.quran-islam.org/178.html. That boggled my mind for long but now i seem to get further confirmation that 24434 was right. GOD Bless!

{edit by mod: Correct URL is http://www.quran-islam.org/178.html (Without dot "." at end) }

[Updated on: Wed, 23 November 2005 18:39] by Moderator

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Re: another tape recorder [message #30577 is a reply to message #30556 ]

Thu, 24 November 2005 16:59

Bashkabiri
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Salam,

I've read the article you mentioned.it is a real nonsense.

First let me explain this:

You can get 19 different numbers other than 24434 by rearranging the 5 digits of 24434.(a total of 20 incl. 24434,namely 5!/3!=4x5=20):

24434 24443 24344 23444 32444
44423 44432 44342 43442 34442
42443 42434 42344 43244 34244
44243 44234 44324 43424 34424

Acc. to the probability theory,the most expected is that one number among them is a multiple of 19. And this is the case:

43244 = 19 x....

other 18 numbers aren't multiples of 19.(you can try)

Let's read the facts given in the article:

Quote:

Fact 1 The total of the 5 digits in 43244 = 17 (same as 24434).

Of course.this is due to the basic math.rule: a + b = b + a. so all other 18 numbers also have the same characteristic:

32444 = 17
34442 = 17
34244 = 17
34424 = 17

etc etc.

Quote:

Fact 2 The number 43244 is also a multiple of 19

yes, because they have deliberately choosen 43244, which is THE ONLY 19 divisible number among the above given 19 numbers.

BUT THE PERSON WHO CLAIMS THE DIVINE PRESERVATION OF 24434 HAS NOT CHOOSEN 24434 AMONG PLENTY OF NUMBERS.IN OTHER WORDS HE HASN'T GOT ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN CHOOSING 24434.

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Fact 3 Now we place the number of Raka's in the day (17) alongside the number of the Sura that we read in the prayer (1) alongside our new format 43244

We obtain the number 17143244

This is also a multiple of 19.

Ridiculous.If you put two 19 divisible number together,the resultant number is also a multiple of 19, and:

171 = 19 x 9 and 43244 = 19 x 2276 so 171 43244 = 19 x ...

THIS IS A REAL DECEIT.EVERY RESEARCHER KNOWS THAT 171 = 19 X 9.IT IS A GOOD CHANCE FOR A MALICIOUS GUY LIKE THE WRITER OF THE ARTICLE TO PUT THE NUMBER OF RAKAS (17) AND THE NUMBER OF THE SURA (1) TOGETHER TO FORM 171 AND THEN USING 171 AND ANOTHER 19 DIVISIBLE NUMBER HE CAN FORM PLENTY OF NUMBERS WHICH ARE ALL MULTIPLES OF 19.FOR INSTANCE:

171 43244 = 19 x ...
43244 171 = 19 x ...
171 43244 171 = 19 x ...
171 171 43244 171 43244 171 717 171 43244 171 171 = 19 x ... etc etc

Quote:

Fact 4 Here we can start to use more variables that are all related to the prayer, and thus make the result appear more impressive. Let us write the number of prayers (5) followed by the total number of raka's (17) followed by the number of the Sura (Key) that we read in the prayer (1), followed by the number of verses in the Key (7) then the Gematrical value of the Key (786) ….

This will give us 51717786

Alongside these digits we write the number 1423324454. This number is simply the number of each prayer followed by its number of raka's (remember we are assuming the format to be 43244!). Thus the first prayer (1) will be followed by the number of raka's (4) and the second (2) followed by (3) and so on till we have 1423324454.

The resulting long number will be :

51717786 1423324454 which is also a multiple of 19.

Fact 5 Many variations can be constructed to obtain further multiples ….. for example the number of the prayers (5) could be added to the total number of raka'a (17) …. This gives 22 ….. If we place that number after the number we used in the last example (1423324454) , we get :

1423324454 22 ….. = 19 x 19 x …….

Fact 6 The sceptics will soon say, 'but these manipulations do not contain the four factors of the Prayer which are the (number of keys, bowing, prostration and tashahud in every prayer)!

Ok! Let us incorporate these factors. Here we include these 4 factors, and also the very important number of prayers in a day (5).

By similar arrangement we get the number :

114482 23362 32241 44482 54482 5

This number is also a multiple of 19

It is made up of the number of the Key (1) then the number of the first prayer (1) then the number Keys (4), Bowing (4), prostration ( Cool

and tashahud (2) …. And the same for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th prayers followed by the total number of prayers (5). (remember we are still using the format of 43244).

Now! Are we justified in calling these multiples awesome signs that confirm that the Raka's in our 5 daily prayers is in the 43244 format ?

NONSENSE.THEY ARE ALL ARBITRARILY FORMED MEANINGLESS NUMBERS.

Quote:

If you are not convinced yet, take a look at the following :

No, I'm not convinced at all.

The 3 numbers given below indicate the total number of units prayed each day of the week.They have nothing to do with 43244 or any other number.They are very important numbers.

Quote:

Fact 7 The same results will stand for all variations that used the number 17 but did not use the individual raka for each prayer (24434) ..... these are :

Sat Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Frid
17 17 17 17 17 17 15 = 19 x ....

Friday is written as 15 Raka due to the traditional deduction of 2 raka from the noon prayer (replaced by the sermon).

The same is applicable to the result obtained by inserting the number of the day before the units of prayer in each day. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:

Sat Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Frid
117 217 317 417 517 617 715 = 19 x ....

The same as the previous, except take Friday as the first day of the week, instead of the last day. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:

Sat Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Frid
115 217 317 417 517 617 717 = 19 x ....

At the end of the article they mention their really interesting findings.The 2 numbers below.I think that the author has decided to write the article after finding these 2 numbers.let's have a look:

Quote:

Fact 8 Now replace every 17 by our new assumed format which is 43244 (remember we are still using the format 43244 as our assumption). Similary, and since the friday Congregational prayer is shortened by 2 Rakas , we do the same here ..... According to the 43244 format the friday noon prayer was 3 Raka ... and thus it is shortened by 2 Rakas to become Sermon + 1 Raka .... therefore we replace 15 by 41244 (for Friday). The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:

Sat Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Frid
1 43244 2 43244 3 43244 4 43244 5 43244 6 43244 7 41244 = 19 x ....

Fact 9 The same as the previous, except again take Friday as the first day of the week, instead of the last day. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:

Sat Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Frid
1 41244 2 43244 3 43244 4 43244 5 43244 6 43244 7 43244 = 19 x ....

The probability of finding two numbers that are multiples of 19 is equal to 1/19 X 1/19 = 1/361.

Quite low but of course not low enough .You can very well find two 19 divisible numbers by chance.

NOW BE CAREFUL.REMEMBER THE RIDICULOUS NUMBER 17143244 WHICH IS A MULTIPLE OF 19.

THE MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER HERE IS FORMED BY PUTTING THE NUMBER OF RAKAS FOLLOWED BY THE SEQUENCE NUMBERS OF 5 DAILY CONTACT PRAYERS WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING FOR 24434:

2 1 4 2 4 3 3 4 4 5 = 19 X 112759655.0000

THIS IS THE MOST PREDICTABLE NUMBER.

LETS TRY THE SAME USING 43244:

4 1 3 2 2 3 4 4 4 5 IS NOT A MULTIPLE OF 19.

OR PUT THE SEQUENCE NUMBERS TO THE LEFT:

1 4 2 3 3 2 4 4 5 4 IS NOT A MULTIPLE OF 19.

IF YOU CAN'T FORM THIS NUMBER BY USING 43244 THERE IS NO MEANING TO GIVE NUMBERS LIKE

1 43244 2 43244 3 43244 4 43244 5 43244 6 43244 7 41244 = 19 x ....
OR
1 41244 2 43244 3 43244 4 43244 5 43244 6 43244 7 43244 = 19 x ....

AS THE WRITER OF THE ARTICLE HAS FOUND OUT THAT NEITHER 4 1 3 2 2 3 4 4 4 5 NOR 1 4 2 3 3 2 4 4 5 4 ARE MULTIPLES OF 19, HE DESPERATELY TRIES TO DECEIT THE READER BY USING THE RIDICULOUS 17143244 OR SIMILAR NUMBERS.

I CAN SAY THAT:

24434 = 19 X ....

BUT ALSO

171 24434 = 19 X ....

BUT ALSO

171 2 1 4 2 4 3 3 4 4 5 = 19 X ....

BUT THIS TRICKSTER CAN NOT SAY THAT:

4 1 3 2 2 3 4 4 4 5 OR
1 4 2 3 3 2 4 4 5 4 OR
171 4 1 3 2 2 3 4 4 4 5 OR
171 1 4 2 3 3 2 4 4 5 4 IS A MULTIPLE OF 19.

AS BY USING 43244 YOU CAN'T FORM THE MOST PREDICTABLE NUMBER THERE IS NO MEANING TO CLAIM THAT THE MIRACLE OF 24434 CAN BE DUPLICATED, AS THE ONLY 19 DIVISIBLE NUMBER OTHER THAN 24434 IS 43244.

I think that the following four numbers also indicate the format of 24434.

Remember that there are 7 days in a week, 5 contact prayers in a day,2-4-4-3-4 rakaa's (units) for each prayer and in each unit we read a total of 1 Sura Key.Please don't forget the following hierarchy:

day--contact prayer--unit--Sura Key

Also remember that in the first 6 days of the week the format is 24434, and in the remaining 1 day (friday) the format is 22434.

Have a look at the following numbers.They are all multiples of 19:

6 1 2 2 4 3 4 4 3 5 4 1 1 2 2 2 3 4 4 3 5 4

6 1 12 2 3456 3 78910 4 111213 5 14151617 1 1 12 2 34 3 5678 4 91011 5 12131415

6 1 1121 2 31415161 3 718191101 4 111121131 5 1411511611711 1 1121 2 3141 3 51617181 4 91101111 5 121131141151

61121314151617181911011111211311411511611711112131415161718191101111121131141151

Salam.

[Updated on: Thu, 24 November 2005 17:22]

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Re: another tape recorder [message #30578 is a reply to message #30577 ]

Thu, 24 November 2005 17:57

bobby
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Salam,
Ill only give a short reply to this. First the display of similar patterns in the two numbers 24434 and 43244 is striking. The exception you quoted is:

Quote:

2 1 4 2 4 3 3 4 4 5 = 19 X 112759655.0000

THIS IS THE MOST PREDICTABLE NUMBER.

LETS TRY THE SAME USING 43244:

4 1 3 2 2 3 4 4 4 5 IS NOT A MULTIPLE OF 19.

OR PUT THE SEQUENCE NUMBERS TO THE LEFT:

1 4 2 3 3 2 4 4 5 4 IS NOT A MULTIPLE OF 19.

Khi- Exactly and this only shows that 43244 is not the correct salat order although it contains the units of all five prayers in a mixed order. Also you said that one out of 19 numbers being a multiple of 19 is nothing special. However why are you disregarding the 20th original number 24434. That obviously has to be included. So if not 43244 then the other should at least be significant. So we have have two out of 20 nos divisible by 19. If i give you for example the no 12242 again the no of arrangements would be 20 and the no is not a multiple of nineteen. You would most probably find only one ZMN amongst them. But taking as a start lets say 43442 we find TWO ZMNS. See it now?

Quote:

IF YOU CAN'T FORM THIS NUMBER BY USING 43244 THERE IS NO MEANING TO GIVE NUMBERS LIKE

1 43244 2 43244 3 43244 4 43244 5 43244 6 43244 7 41244 = 19 x ....
OR
1 41244 2 43244 3 43244 4 43244 5 43244 6 43244 7 43244 = 19 x ....

Khi- But there is. Dont you see that 24434 and 43244 form the exact same patterns and both contain the units of daily prayers, one in order and one mixed? I have yet to observe such a phenomenom with other nos.

PS: Btw the article i linked to WAS ACTUALLY TO SHOW THAT 24434 BEING A MULTIPLE OF NINETEEN IS A NONSENSE AND THATS NOT DIVINE. Quite ironical you thought that article was written in favour of 24434 pattern. Its not that article which supports my position but the one in the first post of the thread. Amazing aint it!

GOD Bless!

[Updated on: Thu, 24 November 2005 18:07]

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Re: another tape recorder [message #30584 is a reply to message #30578 ]

Fri, 25 November 2005 05:15

Bashkabiri
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idmkhizar wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 17:57

PS: Btw the article i linked to WAS ACTUALLY TO SHOW THAT 24434 BEING A MULTIPLE OF NINETEEN IS A NONSENSE AND THATS NOT DIVINE.

of course. I know

Quote:

Quite ironical you thought that article was written in favour of 24434 pattern.

just the opposite. Please read my message more carefully.

Quote:

Its not that article which supports my position but the one in the first post of the thread. Amazing aint it!

Brother, be sure I know the main idea of the first post of the thread better than anyone else in the world. Wink

salam

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Re: another tape recorder [message #30585 is a reply to message #30584 ]

Fri, 25 November 2005 07:51

bobby
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Salam fighter,
Ok a slight thought did come into my mind that you were the one who actually made up the first post. I didnt study it thoroughly just skimmed through it and took it as a supporting factor. Guess i was wrong. But what about the striking similarities of patterns formed by the two numbers 24434 and 43244? Aint that amazing? I guess they are. quran-islam.org has only strengthened my position and that is truly ironical. GOD Bless!

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Fri, 25 November 2005 08:09

bobby
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Salam,
Another amzing factor i noticed regarding the pattern 43 2 44. According to traditional and n this case logical interpretation of "tarfayin nahaar" the prayers at the two ends of the day are "zuhr" and "maghrib", the first end of the day(aso known as end of morning) being just after high noon and the second end being just after sunset. Now the above no contains the two pairs of salat in the correct order if we go from the middle 2 i.e. 234(1st pair after one end of the day) and 244(second pair aftert the other end of the day). And we know that according to islamic calendar which is lunar, the day changes after sunset in the evening so this is a good reason of the pairs being in order 34 then 44 in the English format. I see great signs in here and perfect relations. Maybe thats why this other number also shows such marvellous patterns similar to those of 24434. GOD Bless!

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Re: Another Mathematical Miracle From Sura 1 [message #30726 is a reply to message #29665 ]

Tue, 29 November 2005 16:18

tp
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bashkabiri wrote on Sun, 06 November 2005 18:08

interesting...

and do you know that the above mentioned number series are all preserved by 19.

N = 1 --->( 2 x 1) = 2
N = 2 --->( 2 x 2) = 4
N = 3 --->( 2 x 3) = 6
N = 4 --->( 2 x 4) = 8
N = 5 --->( 2 x 5) = 10

2 4 6 8 10 = 19 x 12990

N = 1 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 1) = 3
N = 2 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 2) = 5
N = 3 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 3) = 7
N = 4 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 4) = 9
N = 5 ---> 1 + ( 2 x 5) = 11

1 3 5 7 9 11 = 19 x 71469

they are all to preserve the 35241.

now,if you arrange for example a-b-c-d-e according to 35241 you get c-e-b-d-a.To get the original order (a-b-c-d-e), you need to arrange according to 53142.To obtain it you need the following number series:

10 - 5 ----> 5
8 - 5 -----> 3
6 - 5 -----> 1
4----------> 4
2----------> 2

10 8 6 4 2 = 19 x 5718

salam

Onlara, "Allah'ın indirmiş olduğuna inanın!" denildiğinde şöyle konuşurlar: "Biz, bize indirilene inanırız." Ve ondan ötesini inkâr ederler.

De ki: "Ey Ehlikitap! Siz, Tevrat'ı, İncil'i ve Rabbinizden size indirileni tam uygulamadıkça hiçbir şey değilsiniz." Rabbinden sana indirilen, onlardan birçoğunun küfür ve azlığını elbette artıracaktır. Küfre batan topluluk için tasalanma artık.

Allah katında, yürüyen canlıların en kötüsü kâfir olanlardır. Çünkü onlar iman etmezler.

Kim Allah'a, O'nun meleklerine, resullerine, Cebrail'e, Mikâil'e düşman kesilirse, Allah da bu tür inkârcılara düşman kesilir.

Müminler, müminleri bırakıp da küfre sapanları gönül dostu edinmesinler. Kim bunu yaparsa Allah'la ilişiği kesilir.

Ey iman edenler! Yahudileri ve Hıristiyanları gönül dostları edinmeyin. Onlar birbirlerinin gönül dostlarıdır. Sizden kim onları gönül dostu edinirse o, onlardandır.

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