Araplara özenerek sarık takanlarla Fransızlara özenerek şapka takanlar arasında bir fark olmadığını anlayabilecek kadar anlayış kapasiten yok mu yoksa kasten mi anlayışsız bir küfürbaz ayaklarına takılıyorsun bilmiyorum

...ama sağa sola savurduğu ilkel hakaretleri ile ilgi çekmeye çalışan bir çocuk gibi buralarda hoplayıp zıpladığını görüyoruz...

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Ben iddia edebilirim.

Bildiğim kadarıyla, ölümü sırasında Dersim katliamı henüz çok güncel bir olaydı. İnanıp tövbe eden birinin son günlerinde böyle bir işe girişmiş olması veya engellememesi pek akla yatkın gibi durmuyor.

Godfather ismiyle burada katliam çağrısı yapan şaman:

Sen eğer iddia ettiğin gibi "üstün ve kutsal" ırkın bir üyesi isen saklandığın delikten çıkıp adam gibi kimliğini ilan et. Ekran ardına saklanarak katliam çağrısı yapanların karakteri malumumuzdur.

Ben kimseyi polise veya TC'nin mahkemelerine şikayet etmedim şu zamana kadar. Ancak KATLİAM çağrısı yapabilecek kadar gözleri dönmüş kışkırtıcı ajanlar için bir istisna yapabilirim.

Merhaba Edip,

İslam'dan, Türklük'ten ve hatta insanlıktan pek az nasibi olanların sitende bu tip saçmalıklar yazmasını engellemek senin için zor olmasa gerek.

Fikir özgürlüğü adına bunu yapmak istemediğini, en kötü ihtimalle bu tip yazıları Trash bölümüne göndermeyi daha uygun bulduğunu söylüyorsun.

Böylece bir ideolojinin/dünya görüşünün en sapkın ve kafayı yemiş versiyonu üzerinden o idelojiye saldırma fırsatı yakalamış oluyorsun.

Eğer sen de samimiysen; ne klavye mücahidlerini, ne klavye kürşatlarını ne de neo-con ağzıyla hezayan tükürmeyi entelektüellik sanan sanal liboşları burada konuşturma.

selam Emre,

Evrimsel yaratis hemen Big bangsel yaratisin ardindan, yuce Allahin boylelikle gokte ve yerde --mantiken ve ilmen-- birbirini tamamlar sekilde kullandigi iki temel harika yaratis hadisesi olarak ardarda isaret edilip mucizevi sekilde haber veriliyor olmali Kitabta. (29/20 = 21/30, 51/47, 71/14, ...)

Evrimsel yaratisa ve ardindan Big bangsel yaratisa iki asirdir fanatik bir sekilde ve siddetle karsi cikan bu Amerikan Evangelist kuresel "Mesih Deccal" ideolojisine, ve bunun altindaki
en derin sebeplerine burada bir miktar deginmeye calismistim, en temel boyutlariyla:

http://19.org/forum/index.php/t/7820/1493/


Bunun ardindan, bahsettigin o batil "panteizm" ve "ruhculuk" inancinin yeryuzundeki en buyuk kurguculari ve propagandistleri arasinda olan Amerikan Gnostik kuresel "Mesih Deccal" (=yukaridaki Evangelistlerin alt kolu) ideolojisine ve bunun altindaki en derin sebeplerine burada bir miktar deginmeye calismistim yine, en temel boyutlariyla:

http://19.org/forum/index.php/t/7837/1493/


Vaktin olunca, (eger yeterli Ingilizcen varsa) bunlari yukarida aktardigim o kendi linklerinden de lutfen dikkatlice okuyup bu icyuzlerini ve "Mesih Deccal" kimliklerini ve kuresel acendalarini mutlaka boylelikle en temeliyle ve acikca desifre edebilmeni yurekten temenni ederim, oncelikle. Hepinize Selamlar, Esenlikler.

Selamlar

Sevgili ThirdMillennium;
Görü��lerinin ve inançlarının ço��u sizin ve benim ile aynı olmasa da bu videoları hazırlayanlar Müslüman.




Sevgili Emre_1974tr;

Yazılarınızı ilgiyle takip ediyorum. Ruhçuluk hakkında ben de fazlasıyla bilgi sahibiyim. Bu konuda yazdıklarınızı vs. ilgiyle takip ediyorum.

Fakat ��u evrim konusunu tümden reddetmemi sa��layacak herhangi bir delil göremedim Kuran'da (Belki de gözden kaçırdım, siz yazın lütfen)

Aksine evrim olabilece��ini destekleyici bir kaç ayet gördüm. Bu konuda bildiklerinizi yazar mısınız? Gerekirse ayrı bir konu açabiliriz.

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I believe we are all infallible humans

Oops! I meant fallible.

Peace,
Khalil

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I happen to think that human opinion is very valuable.

That's because you're a misguided kafir which Allah decided to mislead.

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You should try relying on it more often.

I was an atheist for my entire adult life. Long enough to know that human opinions are worthless and unfounded. We know nothing compared to Allah.

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1. I believe, I just believe in my prayer, only.

2. There is a God/Allah only it's neutral and not human.

3. There is a God only it's a spiral of space.

4. There is a God but it's not what you consider as God.

5. I don't grovel on the ground when praying to this God, I stand or sit when I pray.
6. I don't grovel on the ground when praying to this God, my feet and legs give me too many problems getting up and down.

7. Nowhere within 693 posts did I deliberately attempt to give the impression that God does not exist nor that I disbelieve, as you put it, and if I did say something about God being invisible or "not in existence", I didn't use a qualifier to keep people like you from jumping to erroneous conclusions.

8. In all my posts I tried to make it clear that something exists that self created this universe and it responds to prayers through a chain of communication.

9. I tried to convey that I never asked you to be a friend and that I don't need you as a friend nor do I need your erroneous opinions but I do need the prayer that connects to the Source of prayer and that is all I need.

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1. I believe, I just believe in my prayer, only.

So... You don't believe in the Quran. Or in the God of the Quran. That means you're a rejecter, by definition.

META: I understand some of the Quran and that means I don't hold any animosity toward it, it's a unique book. However, I could care what the hell you think about it. Who gave you jurisdiction or authority?

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2. There is a God/Allah only it's neutral and not human.

No body ever claimed Allah was a human, or anything like a human. However, if you claim God is "neutral", obviously you can't even believe in the bismallah: "Most beneficient, most merciful".

META: Evidently you haven't the knowledge that one man and most of the Middle East also knows...that God is neutral....the difference between allah, ulla and ollah was meticulously demonstrated by a Ethiopean Jew (in a video I cant find on 19.org because of the down time it experienced)...who finally explained, in the very last sentence that....Allah is accepted by many Muslims...as neutral. So you are in ignorance of Allah's nature.

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3. There is a God only it's a spiral of space.

LOL Here you go showing your shirk again. A spiral in space is simply your idol. You are literally an idol worshiper. You can't see how this is wrong? Is God a spiral in space, or did got CREATE a spiral in space? Which sounds more logical?

META: If you will reason that if there is a god outside of space, it would have to be nothing. Why are you worshiping nothing? Also, you ask if God is a spiral of space or did got (God) create a spiral of space? The answer is, you didn't notice that I actually said, it is a "SELF created spiral" meaning there is no creator of it. IT, itself created itself. So you missed my meaning yet again.

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4. There is a God but it's not what you consider as God.

Because you reject the Quran. Therefor you are kafir.

META: I reject you, not the Quran. The Quran has some intelligence within it.

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5. I don't grovel on the ground when praying to this God, I stand or sit when I pray.
6. I don't grovel on the ground when praying to this God, my feet and legs give me too many problems getting up and down.

This excuse might be acceptable to God... However, by using the descriptive language in your excuse, it's simple to see that you have a clear disdain for "groveling" to our Lord. You are not a true submitter, instead your ego empowers you to feel as if human opinions are valuable, and that you do not need to prostrate before anybody, especially a measly space spiral.

META: I'm really glad you approve.

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7. Nowhere within 693 posts did I deliberately attempt to give the impression that God does not exist nor that I disbelieve, as you put it, and if I did say something about God being invisible or "not in existence", I didn't use a qualifier to keep people like you from jumping to erroneous conclusions.

It's not the point of whether you believe in *A* God, or not. The point is that you do not believe in the God of the Quran. You don't believe that the Quran is the word of God. You have a true disdain for submitting to God, and instead idolize your spirals and your ego. This is why you are classified, in terms of the Quran, as a "disbeliever", a rejector, a kafir.

META: I already informed you that submitting is submitting to Law, and only Law breakers must submit to Law. I don't break any Laws therefore I don't submit. I am not under the ruthless Law and you are not my Law Enforcer.

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8. In all my posts I tried to make it clear that something exists that self created this universe and it responds to prayers through a chain of communication.

Christians believe that too. They're still kafirs. Hindus believe that too. They're still mushriks.

META: Unfortunately for your argument, muslims also believe that, therefore are Muslims also kafirs and mushriks? You see, your partial argument breaks down fast. You have a propensity to demonize most of the human race. Did you learn that from Atheism? Some day you will learn to live above the ruthless Law and treat human beings with more compassion.

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9. I tried to convey that I never asked you to be a friend and that I don't need you as a friend nor do I need your erroneous opinions but I do need the prayer that connects to the Source of prayer and that is all I need.

You just proved it. My "opinions" about God aren't my self created ideas. They were explicitly laid out in the Quran. The fact that you call the ideas in the Quran "erroneous" PROVES that you're a kafir.

META: I agree with you, the Quran is a great book. So was the Bible of King James. So was the Veda's of the East Indians. So was the Popal Vue of the Mayans. So?

Clear enough?

META: As clear as your thoughts.

Pierre wrote on Paz, 07 Mart 2010 16:13

More ideas and even the prophecy regarding the end of the world are also questionable.

Salam
http://y19.net/blink.htm

Salaam Bahman and all,

bahman wrote on Çrş, 10 Mart 2010 20:53

Pierre wrote on Paz, 07 Mart 2010 16:13

More ideas and even the prophecy regarding the end of the world are also questionable.

Salam
http://y19.net/blink.htm

Bahman does not believe in the prophecy for 2280 according to the link. In my case I would very much appreciate if some people have something to say they say it. As for Edip, he has been claiming for a very long time he has indications that confirm it but he has declined for a very long time to post what he has to say in a concise manner, so let us assume it is probably not important otherwise he would say it.
One thing that does not make me reject it completely at this time is that the prophecy was made in 1980, 300 years exactly before the announced prophecy, and 309 lunar years before 1710.

(300 + 9)
18:25 They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine.

The people of the cave are a sign for the end of the world and the day of ressurection, and were resucitated after 300 solar years, corresponding exactly to 309 lunar years (the exact difference between the two). So this could be it.

1710 AH, end of the world?:

The 1710th verse of the Quran says:
13:5 If you ever wonder, the real wonder is their saying: "After we turn into dust, do we get recreated anew?" These are the ones who have disbelieved in their Lord. These are the ones who have incurred shackles around their necks. These are the ones who have incurred Hell, wherein they abide forever.

The 1710th verse from the end of the Quran, both verses included:
46:17 Then there is the one who says to his parents, "Woe to you; are you telling me that (after death) I will come back to life? How come those who died before us never come back?" The parents would cry for GOD's help and say, "Woe to you; please believe! GOD's promise is the truth." He would say, "Tales from the past!"

These may also very well be signs that confirm 1710 AH as the end of the world and day of resurrection. Let us remember: After the splitting of the moon (54:1), there are 1389 verses left in Quran, the year (1389 AH) moon rocks were seperated from the moon by americans. And this is the truth, not numerology.

So let us not forget that in spite of many mistakes, Rashad was a messenger of God, and he may very well be right on this
after all. For us, it is not this important as we will be all dead. What difference does it make when the end of the world is? For people around 2280 it could turn out to be a very important information. I personnally would be really freaked out if I lived in those times.
One way or the other, God alone knows for sure, and wether the prophecy is fulfilled or not eventually does not take away anything to many of Rashad's historical and life changing achievements: he was a messenger of God.

Peace.

Pierre

Salam brother Pierre,

GOD willing you will be witness new Amazing proofs about EOTW in the Document line "Purified Scripture" part 4 or Part 5. By the way part 1 will be about "The Four Books and the Scriptures", part 2 "The Community of the Scriptures"...etc. etc.

First 2 parts should be finished insha'Allah before May, 2010.

Peace,

H. O.

You made an overwhelming point against the 40 year theory.
Same for the people of Sodome and Gomorrah: Lots of them had to be below 40, and they were as guilty as hell, like the ones over 40. The only thing that seperates the ones below and above 40 is age, not paradise and hell ! Being 40 year old means simply increased responsability, that's all.

Can you please prove to me using the Quran that babies go to Hell?

[71:24] "They misled many. Therefore, let the wicked plunge deeper into loss."

[71:25] Because of their sins they were drowned and assigned to the hellfire. They found no helpers to protect them from GOD.

[71:26] Noah also said, "My Lord, do not leave a single disbeliever on earth.

[71:27] "For if you let them, they will only mislead your servants and give birth to nothing but wicked disbelievers.


Here we see that God unequivocally stated that he assigned these unbelievers to Hellfire, and yet Noah was pleading to God to please eliminate all of them because they might breed and give birth to more wicked people. This means that at least some of the women were under 40 (able to bear children), yet still sentenced to Hell!