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| Topic: Correction on code 19 and monotheism |
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| Correction on code 19 and monotheism [message #48616] |
Sun, 12 October 2008 14:17 |
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On code 19.
For the sake of balanced judgement http://www.inet.ba/~hardy/code_19.htm is a useful site that opposes code 19.
As for me, my objections are simple and sufficient:
Such codes appeal to the intellect and keep us intellectually busy and proud. This is the surest way to miss the boat because it is very well known that it is not the intellect but the heart that leads to heaven. The heart must lead, the intellect is a tool.
Considering that the electromagnetic field of the heart is 5000 times stronger than that of the brains, is this not logical?
Consider also that the heavens are inhabited by billions of creatures who are far superior intellectually to us humans. Any of them could easily come up with codes such as 19.
Therefore such code can not be seen as a proof of divinity, rather the opposite!
On monotheism.
In ancient times, even 2000 years ago, the word ‘god’ was not used for the First Cause but for creatures considered higher than humans, but nevertheless created.
First Cause was recognized but never discussed, as it was understood to be beyond human ability to grasp.
It was also understood that humans could become such evolved creatures, move to heaven and become gods themselves.
It was probably a well meant attempt to stop humanity from worshiping such ‘gods’ and teach them that they were no less, just less evolved, and should worship only First Source.
Thus the concept of monotheism was conceived and the word ‘god’ was hence used for First Source.
So far so good.
Unfortunately the dark forces will always bend or exploit teachings that are introduced to our advancement.
Soon the understanding that god is an inner reality was replaced by the doctrine that He is a ‘far away reality’: God in heaven and sinful man on earth.
This distortion of original monotheism created a huge vacuum between man and god.
The creators of this distortion then placed themselves in that vacuum, claiming to be the middleman and visible rulers in the name of this far away god.
Mass religions and obedience to priesthood were born, a great victory for satan!
It is now time to correct this distortion.
It is now time we all seek the guidance of the heart, abandoning intellectual pursuit.
It is now time to trust our inner on line connection with the divine, abandoning outer authorities.
Mass religion, holy books, intellectualism and priests/imams belong to the old world that is now disintegrating.
We are invited to open our hearts and receive His guidance that by passes and overrules our intellectual 'achievements'.
This is the true islam; surrender to His real time guidance, not to religion.
But we are free to remain part of what is soon to become the past and disintegrate with it.
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| | Topic: Promoting Islamic Reform in Oxford, London, Istanbul ... |
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 Promoting Islamic Reform in Oxford, London, Istanbul ... [message #48589] |
Fri, 10 October 2008 01:07 |
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Dear brothers and sisters:
To discuss the imperative of Islamic Reform, I will be visiting United Kingdom and Turkey during the first ten days of November. God willing, I will give a series of lectures, participate in meetings and a book fair, and will have interviews with media.
Before or after the lectures I would like to personally meet you and consult you on projects and activities to promote islamic reform under the light of reason and Quran.
Below is the announcement about my lectures at Oxford University. On November 5th, I believe that there will be another lecture in London on the topic of Reason and Faith. For my London schedule please contact MECO and for Turkish trip please contact my publisher Ozan Yayıncılık.
http://meco.org.uk
http://meco.org.uk/forum.htm
MECO
proudly presents two lectures by
EDIP YUKSEL
A leading US-based Islamic thinker and contemporary translator of the Holy Qur’an
A MANIFESTO FOR ISLAMIC REFORM
Monday, 3rd November 2008 at 5pm
A MANIFESTO FOR ISLAMIC REFORM
Tuesday, 4th November 2008 at 7pm
Both lectures will take place at
WOLFSON COLLEGE
Oxford University
Click here for map.
FREE ADMISSION • ALL WELCOME
Refreshments will be served
For further details email:mailto:info@meco.org.uk
Edip Yuksel; J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
www.islamicreform.org
19@19.org
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| | Topic: Forty Plus Grumpy Old Men and My Son (with a poem in the end) |
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| Forty Plus Grumpy Old Men and My Son (with a poem in the end) [message #48574] |
Tue, 07 October 2008 07:37 |
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Forty Plus Grumpy Old Men and My Son
Edip Yuksel
October 2008
I had never seen a class like that. Neither as a student nor as a professor. It was not a regular class. I was conducting an investigation and going to interview a group of selected people there. There were 42 men in the room, lined up by the wall. All were men. I mean, all male, and all white! No black, no brown, no red, no yellow, no rainbow.... Five had beards, four mustaches, one had large mutton-chops, at least two were bald and more than half wore bow-tie. Seven of them had no citizenship; eight were originally from Virginia, seven from Ohio, four from New York and Massachusetts. None from Arizona or Washington, none from Oregon, Colorado or Florida... None had pony tail, nor wore T-shirt. Six James, four Johns, three Georges... No Mike, no Bob, no Elvis, no Chang, no Arjun, and no Muhammad...
This was my younger son's classroom, and I was looking at the pictures of the presidents parading on the wall, to see whether my older son would one day fit this exclusive club. I know that there are thousands of American families who are looking at their teens as if they are looking at the childhood of a future president. Though I have conflict of interest in sharing our strategy with the competitors, I will share with you my son’s quest to climb the political Everest. Of course, aspiring to be the next president of the USA is like aspiring to win a lottery. So, I decided to study the statistics and groom my son accordingly.
Their ages ranged between 42 and 69. If the cranky old man who recently sang "bomb, bomb, bomb" win this election, then the range would increase by about ten percent. I was surprised to learn that seventy percent of the class was veterans! More than half of the presidents, twenty three of them, served in our government's pastime; wars! Only fifteen presidents did not preside over war during their terms; they were perhaps busy with covert operations or using dictators to increase the market for arms sale.
One crippled, one dwarf, and none was blind. Eleven Episcopalians, ten Presbyterians, five Methodists, five deists, four Baptists, four Unitarians, and only one Catholic. No Hindu, no Buddhist, no Jewish, no Sunni, no Shiite, and none were atheists. All had a solemn, serious look on their faces, except the five men closest to the door, starting with the Catholic, had smiles (or smirks, depending on your political affiliation) on their faces. Eight had no college education, and at least one could act like an idiot. Only 12 out of 42 presidents had no military experience. Six of them owned slaves, three had alcohol problem, eight had proven extramarital affair, and three had out of wedlock children. Though a great majority of them declared wars against poor and remote countries, killing and massacring millions of civilians, only two murdered men in peace time, if there was any. Though almost all were assumed to be crooks, with the exception of one, none showed the courage and naiveté to challenge that assumption publicly. Ironically, the only one who denied his crookedness was forced to resign!
Well, looking at the names and background of the 42 presidents, my older son’s chance is even slimmer than the chance of a USA president not declaring war to this or that "evil" country thousands of miles away. Three Georges, four Johns, and six James do not comfort me about my politically savvy son’s prospects! My son's chance for the top office, after Nine Eleven, is less than a former student of mine named Dusty Broom! Under a dizzying propaganda against Muslims by the coalition of Armageddon-freaks and the Oil/Weapon industry, Yahya Rashad Yuksel, born from Kurdish and Persian parents perhaps has no chance.
But, if senator Barack Hussein Obama, (Mr. H In-the Middle) becomes the 43rd president, then there could be some hope. It would be a big black and foreign-sounding crack in the pigment-free glass ceiling. As a mockery of the First Amendment, Barack Obama was forced to declare that he is not a Muslim but a Christian. He is expected to show off sipping wine pretending that it is the blood of his savior and eat holy cookies pretending it to be his flesh. He will get more votes if he releases the pictures of him participating in this pretentious holy cannibalism. We also know that even if he declares his Christianity 666 times, the religious right would not vote for him. He shares the same name with a dictator that was propped-up by the USA who was used and finally disposed for the barbaric crimes he committed with our support and supervision. Do you remember W's secretary of defense shaking hands with him? But, if Senator H wins the presidential election, it would be a profound fulfillment of “what goes around comes around.” Or a prophetic nominal reincarnation!
Let me go back continue sharing with you our family secret. My wife and I are two immigrants whose dreams were interrupted in their birth countries (Iran and Turkey) because of political and religious oppression. We are having derivative dreams through our offspring and we are shooting for the highest. We are raising two sons, Matine and Yahya, with ambitious long term agenda. The younger one is groomed to receive a Nobel Prize in a scientific field and the older one is expected to be the first Muslim president of the USA. For the summary of their progress report, see the footnote, which I had to delete because it was too impressive and would prematurely destroy the dreams of many parents in the competition.
You may blame us for pushing them too hard. To the contrary, we are not. Well, let me not talk on behalf of my wife, who is not even aware that I am letting our family cats out of the bag. No I am not pushing my sons too hard; but I confess that I have pushed them surreptitiously. I used my persuasive skills acquired through my philosophy and legal education and practice. I convinced them to be the best of whatever they choose to be. The best cook, the best plumber, the best carpenter, the best teacher, the best engineer, the best doctor, the best writer, the best mathematician, the best looser, the best of whatever... And one has so far chosen to be a scientist, and the other a politician.
Two major statistical Himalayas are stacked against my older son: religion, genetic origin, and name. Perhaps, at this point I do not need to worry much about the first, since my son does not subscribe to my theology; he has yet to pick one. He followed my advice of not following his parents’ religious conviction blindly. There is still another option: Yahya could transliterate his name into Latin, John. He could also change his last name Yuksel with its English meaning, Excel. (Yahya is the Arabic version of Yashua’s contemporary Yuhannan. Neither of them would turn their heads had their friends called them Jesus or John the Baptist). So, the mutated name John R Excel would appeal to the xenophobic Americans.
But, I am sure that the Carl Roves of the future would dig his past, unveil the name change, the meaning of R, the story about his name. Millions of Bible-Gun-Flag clinging Trinitarians would be tempted to declare him as the anti-Christ. If religious and nationalistic hormones were not sufficient to defeat him, cons would just add the most potent one, sex hormones, to the cocktail. They would easily bamboozle the intellectually challenged masses. Perhaps, they would even go further and declare him to be an elite, too smart to be their president; "Yahya is not an idiot like you, he is an elite; so do not vote for him" could be the slogan of their last resort. My only hope is that by the time my son reaches his 35th year in 2025, this paranoid environment would fade away and the number of hormone-addicted zombies would go down.
Adherents.com lists the religious affiliations of presidents. Episcopalians and Presbyterians win in numbers. Despite their great population, there was only one Catholic president, JFK, and he was shot to death. I like Quakers and their social and political stance, yet one of the two Quakers was Nixon, the officially proven crook! As it seems, to increase his chance, my son needs to join a sect of Christianity. Though it is my son's choice, but personally, I will never approve let alone encourage my son's affiliation with any of these polytheistic (Trinitarian) religious groups. However, there is better news:
“One of the most over-represented religious groups among U.S. presidents is Unitarianism. Despite merging with Universalism in the 1960s, the combined proportion of Unitarian Universalists in the U.S. population is just 0.2% of the population (one in every 500 Americans). Yet there have been 4 Unitarian presidents.”
You know by now that I am a Muslim, though a reformist one. When my thirteen years-old son who somehow decided to replace Stanford University, his dream college since his fifth grade, with the University of California at Berkeley, he asked me whether Berkeley was among the so-called "Ivy League" universities. To learn more about Ivy colleges, I visited Wikipedia and there I learned that Harvard was founded by Unitarian Universalists. My curiosity about UU led me their website and then to their church in my neighborhood. I never feel comfortable in any church because of their idol-worship, warmongering, jingoism, irrationalism, anti science attitude, and regressive political agenda. Yet, I felt at home at the Uniterian Universalist church. I have been attending their meetings occasionally and I consider them as muslims without capital letter, that is, those who peacefully surrender to God alone.
Back to the presidents. The Unitarian presidents were John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, and William Howard Taft. Considering that the freethinkers or deists such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Andrew Johnson who did not join any church and had problem with deity of Jesus, the number of monotheists reaches to eight presidents. If we also include the only Jehovah Witness, Dwight D. Eisenhower, then the number reaches nine.
So, if Barack Hussein Obama wins this coming 2008 presidential election, then Yahya Rashad Yuksel, has a chance to add a few more cracks, perhaps a hole in the glass ceiling, and win the presidency in 2025! However, if Mc Caine (Gun and Flag) and Ms Palin (Bible and Sex) win this election, then my son should replace his American dream with a lifelong nightmare, together with other Americans who do not own seven houses, 13 cars, and do not make 5 millions a year while singing "bomb, bomb, bomb" in the shower.
I will end this article with a poem I wrote together with Yahya who recited it at Tucson Obamafest:
Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow
Yesterday, we were blinded in a holy smoke
We elected Republicans who are pros to provoke
We trusted snakes, oilmen, merchants of arms
Faith-healers, war-mongers with cunning charms
Today, we inherit an economy worse than hurricane
The culprits now have the audacity to prop up McCane
Today, we are hated abroad, looming disasters are big
Yet, they wave a plain lipstick to fool us with an old rig
Senator who cannot count the fancy houses he owns
Wants us to believe that he understands Janes and Jones
He is tough, he sings "bomb, bomb, bomb;" he is a hero!
He will wage seven wars with a budget far below zero
Today we are going to choose our tomorrow!
No more plunder, no more wars on the borrow!
We shall work harder, smarter; we shall unite
To peace, progress, and egality we TeenDemocrats invite
Let's end this era that's brought far too much drama
Everyone put your hands together for Barack H. Obama!!!
Edip Yuksel; J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
www.islamicreform.org
19@19.org
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| the Yuksel's translation [message #48453] |
Sat, 06 September 2008 04:52 |
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Shalom Yuksel
Dear Yuksel , I've consulted your translation of the Quran, for to be honest and clear with you I've not a good knowledge in the english language for to judge your translation , but I want only to thank you about what you've did , you're right , the Quran chapters hasn't names , we can say chapter 1 , we don't need to say " Chapter the key " , but I've a remark , I'll share it with our brothers and sisters in the next time , God willing .
Abdias ( Abdallah)
Shalom
Shalom
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| | Topic: Hadith as Scripture by prof. Aisha Y. Musa-book review |
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| Hadith as Scripture by prof. Aisha Y. Musa-book review [message #48421] |
Fri, 29 August 2008 15:04 |
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Hadith as Scripture by prof. Aisha Y. Musa
"Hadith as Scripture is the only book that covers both the earliest and most recent discussions on the authority of the Hadith. The authority of Hadith is a concern to Muslims in their daily lives, as well as a question of academic interest. Hadith as Scripture contains the first-ever Western language translation of the earliest extant text on the subject. This work explores the earliest extant discussions on the authority of the Hadith in Islam and compares them with contemporary debates."
I just received the book today and have almost finished it. It is written superbly. Without a doubt Prof. Musa shows that the proponents of Hadith as divine authority were the new kids on the block around 800CE as their writings show they were trying to convince the majority of Muslims to accept Hadith as divine. The famous Kitab Jima al-Ilm (The book of the amalgamation of Knowledge) and other works by Imam Shafi are written as a response to other writings which professed the Qur'an alone as divine source and authority. And thus show Qur'an alone was not only present in early Islam, but also dominant among Muslims. It is amazing also to know that no scrap of writing has remained of these Qur'an "alone" scholars. Which in my eyes not only show political influence in the debate (the rulers clearly wanted no traces remained), but also that the arguments supporting Hadith were not as strong as the majority believes. The following of Hadith became dominant as there was no literature remaining that attacked this view.
This book is important for everyone to read, to widen their knowledge and to know:
"The role they (the Hadith) have played has been so influential for so long that both Muslims and non-Muslims alike generally assume they have always uncontested authority. However, a survey of Islamic history shows that the Hadith did not always enjoy such widespread acceptance and authority.[...] Ignorance of these early disputes has contributed to the common misconception that opposition to the Hadith as an authoritve scriptural source of law and guidance is a modern-day, Western, Orientalist-influenced heresy," [Introduction to the book]
DRC-Research into Quranic Cosmology and Message
Our Beacon-Islamic Study Group
Quran: Constitution for Humanity
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| | Topic: The Law of Time in Human Affairs....any thoughts |
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| The Law of Time in Human Affairs....any thoughts [message #48240] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 17:56 |
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Dear all,
my search in the code 19 has past a year now and i came across this website www.lawoftime.org
could any one advice about the information given there, I really advice to check the website, you could check the link below;
http://www.lawoftime.org/2012/telektonon-prophecy.html
by Jose Arguelles
“All is number. God is number. God is all.” - Dynamics of Time, Postulate 19.13
Quoting V.I. Vernadsky
“All fourth-dimensional functions are radial in nature and imply a principle of centre from which the structure is projected…”
“Geometry is how fourth-dimensional time incorporates as third-dimensional form…”
“All forms and species participate in varying orders of geometry of form, both in their bodily structure and their form of process.”
“time is not a dimension of metric geometry.”
“This geometry would reduce all space to a point supplied by an infinitesimal vector.”
Ch 3
Time is of the mind, and in this regard, time is inseparable from the issue of consciousness.
Ch 4
When we speak of the instruments of measure of artificial time, we are specifically referring to the Gregorian Calendar as the macro-organizing principle and the watch or mechanical clock as the micro-organizing principle.
Evidence exists that the Thirteen Moon/ 28-Day measure was widely known… in the remote past of China, in Polynesia, and scattered across late neolithic Europe and the Middle East… Among the Maya… in South America and the British Isles.
…the cultural conditioning of a people is totally dependent on the programming of the calendar they use… A calendar is a feedback mechanism that maintains a group of people within the confines of its own self-established belief system.
Ch 6
… what you don’t know about the calendar you’re using could kill you
[>p]
Appendix IV - the 19 Code and the Quran
“Over it is nineteen” the Quran, 74:30
“Nineteen is the common denominator through the Quran’s mathematical system.”
–Rashad Khalifa
“Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed- There are two major facets of the Quran’s mathematical system: 1) the mathematical literary composition, and 2) the mathematical structure involving the numbers of suras and verses.”
–Rashad Khalifa
Some Examples
19 x 142 = 2,698 occurrences of the word God
19 letters in verse 1:1
19 x 6 = 114 Suras
19 x 334 = 6,346 verses — also — 6+3+4+6 = 19
19 words in first revelation (96:1 - 5)
19 verses in Sura 96
19 letters in the first verse of the last revelation (110:1)
19 words in Sura 110
19 x 6534 = 162,146 = sum of 30 different numbers* mentioned in the Quran
(*1 through 12,
19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99
100, 200, 300
1000, 2000, 3000, 5000
50000
1000000)
Sura 19, “Maryann” has 98 verses
Sura 38, “Saad” has 88 verses
Sura 57, “Iron” has 29 verses
Sura 76, “The Human” has 31 verses
Sura 95, “The Fig” has 8 verses
Sura 114, “People” has 6 verses
Totalling 399 Suras and 260 verses
one soul
peace to all
Mo the brother
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| | Topic: The Law of Time in Human Affairs |
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| The Law of Time in Human Affairs [message #48238] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 17:52 |
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http://www.lawoftime.org/2012/telektonon-prophecy.html
by Jose Arguelles
“All is number. God is number. God is all.” - Dynamics of Time, Postulate 19.13
Quoting V.I. Vernadsky
“All fourth-dimensional functions are radial in nature and imply a principle of centre from which the structure is projected…”
“Geometry is how fourth-dimensional time incorporates as third-dimensional form…”
“All forms and species participate in varying orders of geometry of form, both in their bodily structure and their form of process.”
“time is not a dimension of metric geometry.”
“This geometry would reduce all space to a point supplied by an infinitesimal vector.”
Ch 3
Time is of the mind, and in this regard, time is inseparable from the issue of consciousness.
Ch 4
When we speak of the instruments of measure of artificial time, we are specifically referring to the Gregorian Calendar as the macro-organizing principle and the watch or mechanical clock as the micro-organizing principle.
Evidence exists that the Thirteen Moon/ 28-Day measure was widely known… in the remote past of China, in Polynesia, and scattered across late neolithic Europe and the Middle East… Among the Maya… in South America and the British Isles.
…the cultural conditioning of a people is totally dependent on the programming of the calendar they use… A calendar is a feedback mechanism that maintains a group of people within the confines of its own self-established belief system.
Ch 6
… what you don’t know about the calendar you’re using could kill you
[>p]
Appendix IV - the 19 Code and the Quran
“Over it is nineteen” the Quran, 74:30
“Nineteen is the common denominator through the Quran’s mathematical system.”
–Rashad Khalifa
“Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed- There are two major facets of the Quran’s mathematical system: 1) the mathematical literary composition, and 2) the mathematical structure involving the numbers of suras and verses.”
–Rashad Khalifa
Some Examples
19 x 142 = 2,698 occurrences of the word God
19 letters in verse 1:1
19 x 6 = 114 Suras
19 x 334 = 6,346 verses — also — 6+3+4+6 = 19
19 words in first revelation (96:1 - 5)
19 verses in Sura 96
19 letters in the first verse of the last revelation (110:1)
19 words in Sura 110
19 x 6534 = 162,146 = sum of 30 different numbers* mentioned in the Quran
(*1 through 12,
19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99
100, 200, 300
1000, 2000, 3000, 5000
50000
1000000)
Sura 19, “Maryann” has 98 verses
Sura 38, “Saad” has 88 verses
Sura 57, “Iron” has 29 verses
Sura 76, “The Human” has 31 verses
Sura 95, “The Fig” has 8 verses
Sura 114, “People” has 6 verses
Totalling 399 Suras and 260 verses
one soul
peace to all
Mo the brother
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| | Topic: First contact. Roam strange new lands and seek out new life. |
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| First contact. Roam strange new lands and seek out new life. [message #47430] |
Fri, 30 May 2008 12:12 |
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Look at the pictures below. If tribes like these existed for so long why are their existence being revealed only from today?
God is informing everybody of a horrendous punishment. This could be as worse as annihilation. Like living a death. Living like creatures worse than animals.
"First photos of uncontacted tribe
ITN - Friday, May 30 08:56 am
Painted warriors from one of Brazil's last uncontacted tribes have been photographed for the first time.
(Advertisement)
They were spotted in Brazil's far western Amazon jungle near the Peruvian border
The photos were taken on flights over the Ethno-Environmental Protected Area along the Envira River in the remote Acre state, the National Indian Foundation or Funai said.
The photos show "strong and healthy" warriors, six huts and a large planted area. But it is not known to which tribe they belong.
"Four distinct isolated peoples exist in this region, whom we have accompanied for 20 years," Funai expert Jose Carlos Meirelles Júnior said.
Funai does not make contact with the Indians and prevents invasions of their land, to ensure total autonomy for the isolated tribes, Funai said.
"We did the overflight to show [the tribe's] houses, to show they are there, to show they exist," said Mr Meirelles.
"This is very important because there are some who doubt their existence."
UK based charity Survival International said the Indians are in danger from illegal logging in Peru.
This is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated 500 uncontacted Indians now living on the Brazilian side.
There are more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, most of them in Brazil and Peru, the group said.
Survival director Stephen Corry called for their territory to be protected by international law."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080530/twl-first-photos-of-un contacted-tribe-41f21e0.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080529/img/pts-members-of-an -unknown-a-edf70be466ec0.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080530/img/psc-brazil-native- 118f5f0-c0675d7f08370.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080530/img/psc-brazil-native- 118f5f0-c0675d7f08370.html
[27:69]
Say, "Roam the earth and note the consequences for the guilty."
[6:11]
Say, "Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors."
[30:42]
Say, "Roam the earth and note the consequences for those before you." Most of them were idol worshipers.
[47:10]
Did they not roam the earth and see the consequences for those before them? GOD destroyed their works; all disbelievers will suffer the same fate.
[16:36]
We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, "You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry." Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors.
[3:137]
Precedents have been set for you in the past; roam the earth and note the consequences for the unbelievers.
[7:179]
We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware.
[7:166]
When they continued to defy the commandments, we said to them, "Be you despicable apes."
[5:60]
Say, "Let me tell you who are worse in the sight of GOD: those who are condemned by GOD after incurring His wrath until He made them (as despicable as) monkeys and pigs, and the idol worshipers. These are far worse, and farther from the right path."
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| | Topic: Invitation to meet at Paltak this Sunday (May 18) morning 7 AM |
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 Invitation to meet at Paltak this Sunday (May 18) morning 7 AM [message #47168] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 20:14 |
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I will open the room Islamic Reform at Paltalk this Sunday morning 7 AM Mountain time. It will be a test for a permanent room and schedule to meet each other through voice and video.
Please download free paltalk program (paltalk.com) and get a microphone and join us that morning.
Peace,
Edip
[Updated on: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:44]
Edip Yuksel; J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
www.islamicreform.org
19@19.org
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| | Topic: JINN: Al Khidr response to Arnold research |
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| JINN: Al Khidr response to Arnold research [message #47021] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 00:38 |
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 Al Khidr
Messages: 10
Registered: June 2006 |
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As Salaamu Alaykum:
I would like to share my response to Arnold's research on the JINN:
http://www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd2/jinn.htm
Salaam
[Updated on: Sat, 29 March 2008 00:50]
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| | Topic: Ayam= days or stages? |
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| | Topic: Celebrate Free Expression Day (Carl Lavin) |
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| Celebrate Free Expression Day (Carl Lavin) [message #46995] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 19:57 |
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Celebrate Free Expression Day
Carl Lavin 03.11.08
There are places in the world where no one will be allowed to read this article. There are places in the world where people who have criticized their government in online posts have been arrested and put in jail.
To honor those cyber-dissidents, March 12 is being celebrated as International Online Free Expression Day. A group advocating for global press freedoms, Reporters Without Borders, announced the campaign against government censorship of the Internet and said that 63 cyber-dissidents are now in jail around the world "for using their right to free expression on the Internet." The country with the most online journalists and bloggers in jail? China.
On Tuesday, the U.S. State Department released its annual country reports on human rights. China, although no longer on the list of the worst rights abusers, is stepping up efforts to control the Internet. The report said:
"As in previous years, citizens did not have the right to change their government. The government tightened restrictions on freedom of speech and the press, particularly in anticipation of and during sensitive events, including increased efforts to control and censor the Internet."
The list of worst abusers still includes Belarus, Cuba, Eritrea, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, and Zimbabwe. The State Department added Sudan, Syria and Uzbekistan.
What about the countries Vice President Dick Cheney is visiting next week? President Bush is sending Cheney to the Middle East to advance a peace plan and maybe to lobby Saudi Arabia on oil prices. (A slight increase in Saudi production could ease prices--and political tension--back home.)
Here are excerpts of remarks from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice about the report, followed by the sections from the report about Internet freedoms in each of the countries on Cheney's itinerary (Oman, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the West Bank and Turkey).
I asked Megan Mitchell from Cheney's office if he was planning to raise issues of press freedom or Internet censorship. "I expect him to bring up a wide range of issues," said Mitchell, who will be traveling with Cheney.
Comments from Condoleezza Rice (March 11):
In too many countries, champions of human rights are denounced and persecuted, vilified as traitors or targeted for repression--just for insisting upon the freedoms enshrined in the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
In other countries, even in those that have recently begun transitions to democracy, human rights are not fully secured, perhaps because of weak institutions or corruption, which undermine the rule of law; perhaps because of conflict or insecurity, which intrude upon the liberty of individuals; or perhaps because of crushing poverty and disease, which can cause even the most stalwart citizens to lose hope that their lives will improve.
A nation's path to a future of human rights protected by law is neither smooth nor straight. Along the way, there are bound to be stumbles and setbacks. Even under the best of circumstances, it is not easy to transform democratic ideals into effective democratic institutions. Yet despite every challenge, the courageous champions of human rights persevere. They are an inspiration to their fellow citizens and to all of us. The high standard that they set continues to give hope to people everywhere who work peacefully for their liberty, their dignity, and their rights.
We gather today to support them, and it is our hope that this human rights report will highlight the obstacles that still stand in their way, so that they may bear the mantle of justice at least--at less risk to themselves and to their families. This document is collected and written with the optimism that no corner of the earth is permanently condemned to tyranny. As President Bush has said, "Freedom can be resisted, and freedom can be delayed, but freedom cannot be denied."
From the State Department report:
Oman
The government's national telecommunications company made Internet access available for a fee to citizens and foreign residents. However, it blocked numerous Web sites considered pornographic, culturally or politically sensitive, or competitive with local telecommunications services. The criteria for blocking Internet sites were not transparent. Growing use of the Internet to express views normally not permitted in other media led the government to take additional measures to monitor and censor it. The government reportedly questioned some chat room contributors critical of government officials or policies, or whose postings precipitated criticism, after tracking the contributors through their Internet service provider addresses.
In January, police arrested the founder of the country's most popular chat room site, al-Sablah al-Omania, and 10 of his associates for publishing comments critical of government officials. After a four-month trial, a court of first instance acquitted the site's founder and three co-defendants on charges of slander but sentenced six other defendants with fines ranging from $780 to $10,400 (300 to 4,000 rials), with one co-defendant sentenced to one month in jail. Prior to the trial, the founder of al-Sablah al-Omania shut down the site to "avoid further legal complications." The site remained closed at year's end.
The government placed warnings on other Web sites, saying that criticism of the sultan or personal criticism of government officials would be censored and could lead to police questioning, which increased self-censorship. While several sites served as replacements for al-Sablah, all were rigorously cautious concerning content, and moderators reportedly deleted potentially offensive material quickly. The Telecommunications Regulatory Authority blocked establishments from offering voice over Internet Protocol services without a TRA license.
Saudi Arabia
The government restricted access to the Internet, and Saudi Telecommunications Co. reportedly monitors e-mail and Internet chat rooms. During the year, more individuals and groups exchanged views via the Internet, including by electronic mail and blogs. The government continued to block access to Web sites it deemed sexual, pornographic, politically offensive, "un-Islamic" or disruptive because of controversial religious and political content.
Access to the Internet was available only through local government-monitored servers. According to the Communications and Information Technology Commission, there were approximately 2.3 million subscribers and users. Some citizens circumvented controls by accessing the Internet through servers in other countries. The government had a process through which citizens could request reconsideration of a decision to block a particular Web site, and authorities reportedly unblocked some Web sites partially.
The law criminalizes defamation on the Internet, hacking, unauthorized access to government Web sites and stealing information related to national security. At year's end there were no reported prosecutions.
Early in the year, according to press reports, a Web site managed by Ra'if Badawi dealing with alleged transgressions of the religious police was closed.
Several times during the year, according to a foreign press report, telecommunications authorities blocked www.menber-alhewar.com, the "Dialogue and Creativity" Internet forum of Ali al-Dumaini, a political-reform activist, where members sought to discuss issues of human rights, tolerance and democracy.
On Dec. 10, 2007, security agents detained Fouad Ahmed al-Farhan, a blogger with the popular, pro-reform Web site Alfarhan.org, and questioned him "about violating non-security regulations." In one of his last posts before his detention, al-Farhan sharply criticized 10 influential business, religious and media figures.
Israel And Occupied Territories
There were no restrictions on Internet access or reports of the government monitoring e-mail or chat rooms. On Dec. 5, 2007, survey results published in the Globes newspaper indicated that Israelis averaged 37.4 hours per month using the Internet. Approximately 4 million persons had Internet access.
Turkey
The Internet was widely available in the country. It is used in schools, libraries, private Internet cafes and other public locations, and the government encouraged its use. There were some restrictions on Internet access.
On May 4, the government adopted a new Internet law governing criminal and civil law violations. The law allows the government to ban a Web site if there is sufficient suspicion that one of eight crimes is being committed via the site: encouraging suicide, sexual abuse of children, facilitation of drug abuse, provision of dangerous substances for health care, obscenity, prostitution, gambling or crimes regulated in Turkish Code 5816 (crimes against Ataturk).
Upon receiving a complaint or as a result of personal observations, a prosecutor may file an application for a ban on access to the offending site, or, in an urgent situation, the prosecutor or the Telecommunication Presidency may impose a ban. In either case, a judge must rule on the matter within 24 hours. Following a judicial ban order, the Internet service provider (ISP) must block access within 24 hours. If the judge does not approve the block, the prosecutor must ensure access is restored.
The ISP may face a penalty ranging from six months' to two years' imprisonment for failing to comply with a judicial order. The law also allows individuals who believe a Web site violates his or her personal rights to request that the ISP remove the offensive content.
On March 7, an Istanbul court banned access to the YouTube Web site to block a cartoon video that lampooned Turkey's founding father, Ataturk, as gay. The court ruled that the ban was necessary because "Ataturk and Turkey were insulted with swearwords written in English on Ataturk's photos and to protect freedom of expression." On March 8, the court ruled in a new decision that it would lift its prior order if YouTube removed the offensive video. On March 9, after YouTube removed the video, the ban was lifted, and users were again able to access the site.
On Aug. 17, a court prohibited all postings on the wordpress.com Web site in response to a petition filed by lawyers for Adnan Oktar, a controversial Turkish Muslim author best known as an ardent anti-evolutionist and author of the book Atlas of Creation. Letters from Oktar's lawyers claimed that Edip Yuksel, a popular Turkish Muslim author who has defended evolution and criticized Oktar, posted offensive and illegal content on his wordpress sites.
Oktar's lawyers initially applied to have only several postings blocked but later applied for a blanket prohibition after authors moved the allegedly defamatory content to other sites hosted on the wordpress.com domain. The government said that, pursuant to the court order, all wordpress sites were blocked because it did not possess the technology to block just one site. All wordpress sites remained blocked at year's end.
Earlier, on April 17, an Istanbul court granted Oktar's petition to block access to the electronic dictionary Web site Eksi Sozluk for allegedly insulting him; access to the site was restored one week later without the offensive links.
On Sept. 17, a Sivas court issued an order to block access to YouTube after the court determined that content on the site insulted Ataturk and the leaders of the government. Reporters Without Borders issued a statement calling the blocking of the entire Web site a disproportionate measure and urged the government to reverse the decision. YouTube removed the offensive content, and the government did not block access.
Government authorities have on rare occasions accessed Internet user records to protect "national security, public order, health and decency" or to prevent a crime. Police must obtain authorization from a judge or, in emergencies, the highest administrative authority before taking such action.
PS: Originally published at: http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/03/11/press-freedom-cens orship-oped-cx_cl_0311dissidents.html
Edip Yuksel; J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
www.islamicreform.org
19@19.org
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| Some Remedies [message #46942] |
Sun, 24 February 2008 15:49 |
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In these days of great stress, anxiety and bad health I have put some verses from the Quran so that we may get some relief. There are all kinds of problems people may have but the underlying cure is the same. Unlike man made medication and surgical operations God offers a complete cure.
I'll try keeping it breif and remember: Everything is God willing.
One relief comes from dates. Dates are almost anaesthetic like and can cure sleeping problems. The effect is naturally very slow to an injection. Consume between 10 to 15 dates in the morning supplementing your normal breakfast. Repeat this for three days and you will sleep heavy during the night. I advise not to consume these amount of dates during the evening because you will be very sleepy in the morning NOR if you intend to drive a vehicle. Eat them in the morning to take effect by night time. Have them as much as you may need.
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19:25
"If you shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will drop ripe dates for you.
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Honey is good for stiff joints. Stiff back, knees, fingers, hands, shoulders etc. You will find advertised that glucosomine tablets are good to sooth joint problems. Honey is a natural sugar digested from the bee as it flies around and chews on some flowery plants. Just like cows make milk from chewing grass. Honey is without the high sugary contents or ordinary white sugar granules. Honey is a good source for glucose. The root for glucosamine is glucose.
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16:69
Then eat from all the fruits, following the design of your Lord, precisely. From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people. This should be (sufficient) proof for people who reflect.
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I am advising high caution on the following. Intoxicant is good ONLY IF IT IS TAKEN ON SHORT TERM unlike the other cures. You can find ethanol in some cough remedies sold on the Internet. Ethanol is an ingredient of wine/khamri. Wine in paradise is Khamra. Look for remedies like cough medicine and the % volume of ethanol. It could read 'alcohol vol' on some packets. If its is around 7.7 % then it should be effective enough. You may not have cough but finish the complete bottle of cough medicine and you will feel relief. Here is a link, read point 7 located at the bottom of the page. http://www.covonia.co.uk/FAQ/faq.cfm?ccs=98
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2:219
They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit." They also ask you what to give to charity: say, "The excess." GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you, that you may reflect,
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Sunnis idolise zam zam water from the city of mecca thinking it has curing properties. I think they are confused with the spring that appeared from Ishmael's heels and with that of Ayub's heel. The spring at the heel of Ishmael is to provide an unlimited source of water to quench the thirsts of Pilgrims to Kaaba. The water from Ayub's heel is thought to have healing properties too but this too would be idol worship. Water contains nothing healing within it other than to replenish lost water in our bodies. The are no verses which says that water is a relief. You may refer to Ayubs story in the quran and object. But read it carefully.
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2:219
"Strike the ground with your foot. A spring will give you healing and a drink."
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From Ayub's heel came a healing and water. Two items not one. The process of striking his heel caused a water spring to gush out one or two meters away from him. At the same in a different place one or two meters away a geyser or a hot spring gushed out. Drinking fresh water from the spring would heal him. He may have been drinking water which was contaminated ie from a pond or a well that caused him to be very ill. He may not known the water source was bad and confused about why he was so ill. Drinking fresh water is better for his health.
The other item, the hot spring may have gathered into a pool somewhere. When the hot water gathered he will have been inspired to bathe in it. Bathing in hot/warm water has many reliving effects on the body. It revives the outer skin and relaxes the muscles and bones. It also helps praying and meditation on God as all the stress from the mind eases. Job would not have been cured over night but bathing and drinking fresh water routinely over a period of six months or more would have lead to a complete cure for him.
Therefore I would advise drinking plenty of water and also going to saunas which provide mush stress relief after a gym work out. Or hot spas. Doing this on and keeping to a good schedule over a year will get you the relief.
Just like honey, drinking milk is also good and have lots of it. Milk according to the Quran is made from a cows blood and the food it digests. Therefore any milk process which reverses milk creation should be avoided. Many believe that sucrose, milk sugar is good. Sucrose is extracted from milk. Turning milk back to its main ingredients will separate it back to blood and its other item. Consuming blood is forbidden. Consuming blood causes the disease diabetes. Diabetes is a blood malfunction on the human body. Foreign blood inside a humans body causes its own immune system or anti bodies to attack the foreign blood. It gets to a stage when the immune system begins to attack the humans own blood but not on large scale. Its a slow process and as many of you are aware people with diabetes have many ill health problems. They may need to take insulin when the anti bodies eventually attack the sugar levels in the blood. Avoid any sweet delicacy which containing sucrose and being straightforward by consuming normal sugar created by God and as God intended is better.
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16:66
And in the livestock there is a lesson for you: we provide you with a drink from their bellies. From the midst of digested food and blood, you get pure milk, delicious for the drinkers.
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Always keep good hygiene. Wash your clothes more often than regular and wear them clean. Don't be afraid to ask at the shops for cleansing items like hair head lice, ear drops. Treating your hair annually with head lice lotion even though you may not have lice is soothing and cleaning than just hair shampoo alone. Ear drops keep the inner ear free from dirt. Also gurgling with mouth wash reaches the back of the mouth than toothbrushing does.
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2:222
They ask you about menstruation: say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."
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A cure for metal stress is meditation. Meditation should not be taken as a complicated task that it will put you off doing it again. According to the Quran meditation is just pondering on God, For example, His blessings, His punishments, Things to expect in Hereafter, your wants and your worries. There will be some nights when you cannot sleep at all. This is when meditation takes place. You have to speak to God, during the night. He is the Hearer. Talk to Him like you would talk to Him on Judgement Day. No one should be shy nor see it as blaspheme to talk to God. To find things to implore Him about my advice is to read the psalms. In this scripture David talks to God all the time about everything and anything. There is nothing sublime about the way David talks, maybe the simplest things are the most important to us.
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17:79
During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank.
50:40
During the night you shall meditate on His name, and after prostrating.
73:2
Meditate during the night, except rarely.
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17:55
Your Lord is the best knower of everyone in the heavens and the earth. In accordance with this knowledge, we preferred some prophets over others. For example, we gave David the Psalms.
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Don't ask God for money or children or He will retest you again on everything. No one wants to go through school again. If you ask for money and children it will be like sitting through all your exams again when you were young. Money and children do not provide wealth. They are simply and ONLY a test for us. May God forgive me if I keep asking Him to test me.
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8:28
You should know that your money and your children are a test, and that GOD possesses a great recompense.
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An action toward relief is simply denouncing things of the devil. Denounce the devil at the first instance and then denounce words that are made by the devil. It is the 21st century way of smashing idols. Sometimes I can tell good words from bad - sounding words. Eg marruana is a bad sounding word because of the way I have to pronounce it. Whereas flowers is a good word. So denounce maruana. It is most likely a word from the devil as it is associated with a bad drug. Denounce the word psychosis. Most people who take maruana/ganja have psychotic behaviour. Denounce sijjeyeen as opposed to elleyeen. Denounce the ego with respect to righteousness. Denounce the mind as opposed to the brain. Denounce whisper as opposed to inspiration. Seek out all beautiful sounding words and reject the ones that are horrible sounding. It may seem funny to some but you'll feel the difference giving it a go.
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2:256
There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
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7:180
To GOD belongs the most beautiful names; call upon Him therewith, and disregard those who distort His names. They will be requited for their sins.
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If you can't help getting angry with those who are close to you and it becomes a great matter speaking to someone becuase you get tongue tied all the time, remember Moses' prayer and repeat to God.
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20:25-27
He said, "My Lord, cool my temper.
"And make this matter easy for me.
And untie a knot from my tongue.
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43:52
"Which one is better; me (Pharaoh) or that one who is lowly and can hardly speak?
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All of these will need patients and may take a long time but I am sure they will provide a cure. If there any other things anyone would like to add please feel welcomed....
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| | Topic: Basic Statistics for the US Imperialism |
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| Basic Statistics for the US Imperialism [message #46932] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 19:43 |
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The attached document has the lists!
Edip Yuksel; J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
www.islamicreform.org
19@19.org
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| | Topic: here are some funny (non-intentional) lines by Mr G Bush |
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| here are some funny (non-intentional) lines by Mr G Bush [message #46815] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 11:00 |
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God's favoured one, Bush the bani israel:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again."
"Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?"
"Will the highways on the internet become more few?"
"I understand small business growth. I was one."
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
http://www.virginmedia.com/news/inpictures/bushisms.php
(Look for the 'Next' link and click)
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| | Topic: Cheering for the Bully to Save the Victim! Pakistan and Beyond |
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| Cheering for the Bully to Save the Victim! Pakistan and Beyond [message #46640] |
Sat, 29 December 2007 00:11 |
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Cheering for the Bully to Save the Victim!
Edip Yuksel
I have been a skeptical and analytical person especially when dealing with issues involving theology, philosophy, politics, and conventions. However, I have usually been rather naïve regarding human beings; I usually assume good faith and intentions of people when I first encounter them.
This good will sometimes includes the individuals leading organizations. When I was first led to the website of freemuslims.org, after reading one or two pages, I got excited and immediately contacted the founder of the organization and sent him the following email on October 16th, 2006:
"Dear brother Kamal: I recently visited your organization's website and browsed some articles. It seems we share major concerns and goals. Perhaps, we should get to know each other. I would like to invite you to read the Manifesto for Islamic Reform published at: www.islamicreform.org You may find my other articles and books at: www.19.org and www.yuksel.org Peace, Edip"
After a round of emails and telephone conversations, learning a little more about the political position of the organization, I had some reservations, and I wrote back to him:
"Thank you for asking me to join FreeMuslims. I am not yet ready to join your organization since I made a decision not to join any organization until the Quran: A Reformist Translation is published. I am rejecting some media requests for interviews for the same reason, which was also advised to me by my editor. Though I publish my articles at my internet site, it does not put me in the limelight beyond my control."
Today, I received an article from Kamal entitled "Who Killed Benazir Bhutto?" Unlike Kamal, being familiar with the global politics, I am not much interested in learning exactly who killed Bhutto. To me, the more important and useful question is a different one: who would benefit from such a killing? Knowing how nation's secret services conduct covert operations, how they engage in propaganda, misinformation, how they commit assassinations and atrocities even through "hostile" organizations, I am not interested in the "who pulled the trigger" part. To me, the environment and policies that incubate and create such assassin's fingers are more telling. What the poor teenager shouted when he blew himself up is important, but it may not tell us anything about the "real" killer that created those who brainwashed him and trained him.
That said, I would like to question the real mission of an American organization led either by an extremely uninformed and gullible individual or … you fill in the blank. I will intersperse my response within his short article.
KAMAL NAWASH: While there is no conclusive answer to who killed former Pakistani prime minister Bhutto, so far the only claim of responsibility has come from an Al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan, who posted the claim of responsibility on an Italian Web site. Al Qaeda posted the following message: "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat the mujahideen. (holy warriors)"
Bhutto was an outspoken critic of Al Qaeda and other extremist Islamist groups. Consequently, Al Qaeda and other Islamist groups hated her for her rhetoric, for supporting secularism and for being a woman.
While we can't know for sure who killed Bhutto, on two occasions, Al Qaeda also tried to kill Pakistani president Musharraf. This brings us to the state of emergency that was enacted by Musharraf in November to "defend" Pakistan from extremists and terrorists." At that time the United States and much of the world criticized Musharraf and pressured him to lift the state of emergency and to resign as the army chief, a position he held alongside the position of president.
Currently, the only force that can keep Pakistan intact and safe from terrorists is the Pakistani military. The Pakistani military and president Musharraf know better than any outsider what it takes to keep Pakistan from failing and falling into the hands of terrorists and extremists. It is a mistake for the United States or any other country to interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan by pressurizing the Pakistani government to take any action that Pakistan does not want to take. It should be left up to the Pakistani people to decide whether emergency rule stays or not, whether the president wears an army uniform or not and when and whether elections are held.
EDIP YUKSEL: Though the article does not deal why and how Musharraf came to power, I accept it as background information.
NAWASH: The wrong interference by the United States and the weakening of the Pakistani military's control over Pakistan may produce a repeat of the disaster that brought clerical rule to Iran. In 1979, the Shah of Iran was deposed when the military refused to back him and the country fell into the hands of religious fundamentalists who continue to rule the country. This must not happen in Pakistan. The United States needs to be more emphatic to the particular circumstances of Pakistan and not to pressure Pakistan to do anything that is a threat to the stability and security of the country. If president Musharraf abuses his powers it is up to the majority of the Pakistani people to stop him and not foreign governments. The Pakistanis have a long democratic tradition and are capable of protecting their rights and institutions. An example is when Pakistani lawyers took to the streets to demonstrate against the weakening of the judiciary.
EDIP: In the paragraph above a diabolic propaganda and disinformation screams. Mr. Nawash accuses the US of not supporting the Shah and thus unknowingly contributing to the rise and victory of mullahs in Iran. The author either lacks elementary knowledge about the subject, or he is intentionally hiding and distorting the facts. What led to the theocratic fascism in Iran was not the USA's lacking support for a corrupt dictator, but to the contrary, USA-Inc's support of a dictator and his corrupt and oppressive policy led to the mullah's victory in 1979. For those whose knowledge of history cannot go beyond 1979, I would like to recommend the following key words to google: Iran, Musaddiq, CIA, 1953, and coup.
NAWASH: While democracy is a great ideal, Pakistan is currently facing turmoil and the Pakistanis need a strong president, a strong central government and a strong military to keep order. This remains the case despite allegations that the Pakistani military has been infiltrated by extremist elements. The United States should take no action to undermine the power of the central government, the military or president Musharraf, who has been a great ally in fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Currently, the Pakistani military has more than 100, 000 troops fighting extremists on the Pakistani/Afghanistan border at a miniscule cost to the United States.
EDIP: The paragraph above exposes the so-called freemuslims.org like smell exposes the presence of a skunk. Nawash and his ilk, hide the obvious fact that suicide bombers and terrorists are generated by dictatorships, military regimes and occupations. Just look at the pattern: USA-backed fascist Israeli regime incubated and generated suicide bombers. USA-backed Saudi dictatorship incubated and generated 15 of the 19 terrorist bombers and their leader Ben Laden. USA-backed mujahids incubated and generated al-Qaida. USA-backed generals incubated and generated Taliban (who later took control of Afghanistan). USA-backed Shah incubated and generated mullahs. USA-backed Saddam incubated and generated mass murderers. The list is long and it includes numerous countries in three continents.
The fruits of USA-Inc helping dictators and military thugs have been the following: wars, atrocities, repression, oppression, poverty, civil wars, destruction, torture, tragedies, regression for the citizens of third world countries AND enormous profits for the USA's "military industrial complex" and other big multinational corporations such as Oil and Construction companies.
Abacha of Nigeria, Hugo of Bolivia, Batista of Cuba, Botha of South Africa, General Humberto of Brazil, Vinicio of Guatemala, Roberto Cordova of Honduras, Alfredo of El Salvador, Ngo Dihn of Vietnam, General Samuel of Liberia, Duvalier of Haiti, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, General Franco of Spain, Hassan II of Morocco, Ferdinand Marcos of Phillippines, Mobuto of Zaire, General Montt of Guatemala, General Noriega of Panama, Shah Pahlavi of Iran, Papadopoulos of Greece, Chung Hee of South Korea, General Pinochet of Chile, Pol Pot of Cambodia, Salazar of Portugal, Somoza of Nicaragua, Suharto of Indonesia, General Videla of Argentina, General Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan, Mubarak of Egypt, and now General Musharraf… What these former and current USA-Inc stooges offered to their people? And who gained from the their dictatorship?
Al-Qaida might be the enemy of a civilized world (whatever it means), but now we can be sure that al-Qaida is the enemy of Muslims AND the biggest benefactor of American Weapon, Oil and Construction industries. Arm dealers and the filthy rich are not morally better than used-car sales people, and they care neither about the American taxpayer nor the world, except their bottom line, which is: MONEY. Al-Qaida is the biggest bonanza for the USA-Inc after they lost the Communist bogeyman. And dictators and Muslims with a slave mentality are petty stooges to justify their plunder and hegemony.
More than ONE MILLION dead and MILLIONS of orphans, wounded and displaced Iraqis should be sufficient to show the intelligent the identity of the biggest threat to the world, including the American people who lose money and blood and now owe $30,000 per capita to debt created by corpolititans: USA-Inc and its stooges!
For the short term, continuing to support the dictator Musharraf might be the only choice to stop the escalation of violence and chaos in Pakistan. But, considering the history and pattern of the USA-Inc, we should all try to stop its policy of supporting dictators around the world.
The bully smacked a poor boy in the head with a bat. The poor boy gets disoriented and is going to fall on the concrete. The poor boy's friend cheers for the bully: "Bully! Save the poor boy; hit him with the bat on the other side!" Ironically, the bully has been smacking many poor boys all along, and people like Kamal Nawash have always cheered for the bully to save the victim!
No, muslims do not need friends like Nawash!
[Updated on: Sat, 29 December 2007 00:12]
Edip Yuksel; J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
www.islamicreform.org
19@19.org
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| | Topic: Poem from Mohammad Iqbal( Mine or Yours?) |
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| Poem from Mohammad Iqbal( Mine or Yours?) [message #46508] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 01:10 |
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Onur
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Gabriel's Wing Ghazal No. 1
If the stars wander from their path- is heaven mine, or Yours?
Should I care how the world goes? is the world then mine, or Yours?
If all eternity be void of passion's storms, whose fault,
God! that eternity should be so barren- mine, or Yours?
How could an Angel dare, in time's first dawning, to rebel?
Should I know that? whose confidant was Satan- mine, or Yours?
Gabriel is Yours, Muhammad Yours, Yours the Quran: yet in their Gracious words, whose inmost soul is written- mine, or Yours?
And Man, that thing of dust, that star whose shining lights Your World-
To whose loss will it be if his race sicken: mine, or Yours?
Mohammad Iqbal
What a powerful poem!!
Onur
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| a translation suggestion to Edip Yuksel [message #46488] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 00:12 |
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Dear Edip,
After reading your endnote about the verses dealing with inheritance(4:11-12), I have been looking in more depth about new ways to translate the verses so as to give a linguistic ground to the method you propose. To remind the readers of your method with an example, if there are two inheritors with shares 1/2 and 1/3, you make the denominators equal under 6. When we do this we get 3/6 and 2/6. You then add the nominators 3+2=5
5 becomes the new denominator. One gets 3/5 and the other gets 2/5. If there are 50 golds one(who initially had the share of 1/2) gets 30 and the other(who initially had the share of 1/3) gets 20. The basic assumption for this method is that we can use the shares Quran gives, compare them to each other and create new shares. In other words, according to this method, when the Quran is saying that someone will get 1/2, it is not literally and strictly saying that he will get 1/2 of the whole inheritance. As your solution shows, when there are 50 golds, the person with the share of 1/2 got 20 instead of the half of 50 which is 25. Notice that I have underlined the word "of". The reason for this will become clearer.
As I have been looking for a translation to support this method, I encountered a translation by Mohammad Ahmad and his daughter Samira Ahmad. This is a quite literal and good translation. It is in fact close to your translation in many respects. You may check http://www.studyquran.co.uk/Q1-22.pdf Here is how they translate the verses.
4:11-12
God directs/commands/recommends you in your children, to the male equal (the) fortune (share
of) the two females, so if they are/were women more/over two, so for them two thirds (from) what he left,
and if she was one, so for her the half and to his parents, to each one from them the sixth from what he left,
if for him was a child (son), so if (there) was not for him a child (son), and his parents inherited him, so to his
mother the third, so if brothers were for him, so to his mother the sixth, from after a bequest/will he bequeaths*
with it or a debt; your fathers and your sons, you do not know, which of them (is) closer to
you (in) benefit/usefulness, a religious duty/command from God, that God was/is knowledgeable,
wise/judicious.
And for you half (of) what your spouses/wives left, if (there) was/is not for them a child, so if
(there) was/is for them a child, so for you the quarter from what they left from after a bequest/will they
bequeath/direct with it or a debt, and for them the quarter from what you left, if was not for
you a child, so if was for you a child, so for them the eighth from what you left from
after a bequest/will you bequeath/direct with it or a debt, and if was/is a man to be inherited without a
child or father or a woman (wife), and for him (is) a brother, or a sister, so for each one from them the
sixth, so if they were more than that, so they are partners in the third, from after a bequest/will is
bequeathed/directed with it or a debt not harming, (a) direction/command* from God, and God (is)
knowledgeable clement.
Notice that these translators almost everytime use the word "from" instead of the word "of" They use the word "of" one time but it is in paranthesis meaning that the word does not exist in the actual Quran. My argument is that: When you use the word "from" instead of the word "of" you may have some ground for the method you propose.
Suppose that I tell two people: One of you will get 1/2 and the other will get 1/3 from the money(50 golds)
Remember that in your method the one with the share of 1/2 is getting 20 instead of the half of 50 which is 25. But this is acceptable because I did not tell him that he would get 1/2 of 50 meaning 25.
In other words, if we use the word "from" rather than "of" we can have a ground for comparing the shares to each other and then changing the shares. If we establish that, we can then remove the problem of the case in which the total of shares exceeds | |
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