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In article <4naaui$dr0@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Brendan McKay writes in response to: > MORE MATHEMATICS: > > "Al-Wahid" "The One" referring directly to one of God's most > beautiful names is mentioned in 12:39, 13:16, 14:48, 38:65, > 39:4 and 40:16 > If we add all these numbers of the Verses and Suras we get : > 12+39+13+16+14+48+38+65+39+4+40+16=344 > > This number, 344 is a composite number whose index is 275 > (in other words 344 is the 275th composite number) > 344+275 = 619 Here again God is posting his 6 and 19 in > relation to His Oneness in a more sophisticated system. This is truly amazing. All that work and you STILL could not find a multiple of 19. I think this deserves this week's Futility Prize, congratulations! Let me take this opportunity to inject some probability facts. A favourite device of the 19ers is to add things together to make 19 when the items themselves don't work. For example, if the sura number and the verse number have no 19, maybe their sum does. Khalifa does this quite a lot, even adding three things if necessary, for example verse number + number of words + number of letters. He still counts the result as having a probability of 1/19, but of course that is wrong. Suppose you have N numbers and you want to find a multiple of 19 by adding some of them together. What are the chances of success? This calculation is a little messy, but I have done it up to N=5: N probabilty of finding 19 1 5.3% 2 15.2% 3 32.8% 4 59.2% 5 86.4% So, for example, if you have the sura number, verse number, number of words, number of letters, and gematrical value of a particular verse, there is an 86.4% chance you can get a multiple of 19 by adding some of them together. You have to be very unlucky to fail! ------------------------------- Where do these probabilities come from? Consider for N=2: A = the event that the first number is a multiple of 19, B = the event that the second number is a multiple of 19, C = "A + B" = the sum of both numbers is a multiple of 19. If any two (of the three) are multiples of 19, so is the other. Write P(X) for Prob(X is a multiple of 19) etc. P(A or B or C) = P(A) + P(B) + P(C) - P(A and B) - P(A and C) - P(B and C) + P(A and B and C) Each of P(A), P(B), P(C) are 1/19, and each of the others are 1/19^2. So the answer is 3/19 - 3/19^2 + 1/19^2 = 3/19 - 2/19^2. Another easier method: Find the probability that none are multiples of 19. For A, choice is 18/19. Given A, the choice for B is 17/19: one 1/19 is lost to ensure B is not a multiple of 19, and another 1/19 is lost to ensure A+B is not a multiple of 19. These two cases do not overlap because at this point A is not a multiple of 19. I did it like that for N=3 but already it is hard to get correct. After that I wrote a program just to count all the cases. Brendan

To see further illustration of incredibly high probability of finding code 19 in a text go to the following link

http://www.nmsr.org/code19.htm

Apparently declaration of independence has code 19 in it too

One must ask that if finding a text that has code 19 miracle in it is this highly probable how is that a miracle anymore? And how is that a proof or validation of anything?

Without showing the statistical significance of findings I guess I can say declaration of indepence is also put forth by God... I am only as wrong as those people who claims code 19 validates Quran without showing the statistical significance of findings!

I was reading some informational sites regarding the 911 cover up.

Did anyone already notice that the full date:

9112001 is divisible by 19 and 19 squared.

To skeptisizm ->

The truth from the Quran is that those who wish to deny God's signs will not be able to witness them. They will be prevented.

don't forget 19 hijackers .

Of course there's code 11

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/numbers.htm

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The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11 September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11 After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11 Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 But ....There's More....... State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union New York City - 11 Letters Afghanistan - 11 Letters The Pentagon - 11 Letters Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993) Flight 11 (1x11) - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11 Flight 77 (7x11) - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11

I agree that most of the so called 19 code thing is the outcome of playing with numbers and and a lot of it don't make sense at all and there are people who after they saw the light they went and cover thier eyes again and started to beleive in anything that is 19 code related.

But despite my great skiptisim i have to admit that there are still astonshing facts that can not be a coinsident about the 19 code in Quran.

In history there've been always people who work hard to present a valid idea and then come the ignorants who beleived in those ideas and throw dirt on the facts and make even the most clear ideas and facts repolsive to people with minds.

The poeple with clear minds are few

Peace.

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Let me take this opportunity to inject some probability facts. A favourite device of the 19ers is to add things together to make 19 when the items themselves don't work. For example, if the sura number and the verse number have no 19, maybe their sum does. Khalifa does this quite a lot, even adding three things if necessary, for example verse number + number of words + number of letters. He still counts the result as having a probability of 1/19, but of course that is wrong.

Any complicated project for example like Nasa’s could have some errors in some corners. Rashad was not infallible and may have some errors in some parts. But he left behind a table called Chronological Sequence of Revelation.
He did not know his table by using a very simple pattern could be multiple of 19 and it could be expanded to patterns with over thousands numbers in one figure multiple of 19.

If Rashad did it many years ago using computer programs how today mathematician with more power full programs can not able to do it!
You may have the answer.
Peace.

Peace.

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Let me take this opportunity to inject some probability facts. A favourite device of the 19ers is to add things together to make 19 when the items themselves don't work. For example, if the sura number and the verse number have no 19, maybe their sum does. Khalifa does this quite a lot, even adding three things if necessary, for example verse number + number of words + number of letters. He still counts the result as having a probability of 1/19, but of course that is wrong.

Hvae you had chance to look at this one.
Peace

Dear Bahman,

I like the 19 divisibility test - even just from a mathematical point, this is great for children too. I thought I'd share it here.

For any number chop of the last digit, double it and add it to remaining digits, repeat this until you get 19 (or a multiple), or a some other number not divisible by 19.

2698
269+16 = 285
28+10 = 38
3+16 = 19


12345
1234+10 = 1244
124+8 = 132
13+4 = 17


Thanks.

Peace.
Thank you
Just for fun

1 by 19 =19 1+9=10 1+0= 1
and so on

2 19 =38 3+8=11 1+1= 2
3 =57 5+7=12 1+2= 3
4 76 7+6=13 1+3= 4
5 95 9+5=14 1+4= 5
6 114 1+1+4= 0r 11+4=15 1+5= 6
7 133 1+3+3= 7
8 152 1+5+2= 8
9 171 1+7+1 9

10 190 1+9=10=1+0= 1
11 209 2+0+0= 2
12 228 2+2=8=12=1+3= 3
13 247 2+4+7=13= 4
14 266 2+6+6=14=1+4= 5
15 285 2+8+5=15=1+5=6 6
16 304 3+0+4= 7
17 323 3+2+3= 8
18 342 3+4+2= 9
19 361 3+4+1=10=1+0= 1

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19=190=1+9+0=1

1+3+5+7+9+11+13+15+17+19=100=1+0+0=1

19=1
19=1+9=10 1+0=1
19x19=361 3+6+1=10 1+0=1
19x19x19=6859=28 2+8=10 1+0=1
19 * infinite 19=1
Adding digits of any number product of 9 results 9.
1125324= 1+1+2+5+3+2+4=18=1+8=9

bahman wrote on Wed, 03 November 2004 06:27

Peace. Thank you Just for fun 1 by 19 =19 1+9=10 1+0= 1 and so on 2 19 =38 3+8=11 1+1= 2 3 =57 5+7=12 1+2= 3 4 76 7+6=13 1+3= 4 5 95 9+5=14 1+4= 5 6 114 1+1+4= 0r 11+4=15 1+5= 6 7 133 1+3+3= 7 8 152 1+5+2= 8 9 171 1+7+1 9 10 190 1+9=10=1+0= 1 11 209 2+0+0= 2 12 228 2+2=8=12=1+3= 3 13 247 2+4+7=13= 4 14 266 2+6+6=14=1+4= 5 15 285 2+8+5=15=1+5=6 6 16 304 3+0+4= 7 17 323 3+2+3= 8 18 342 3+4+2= 9 19 361 3+4+1=10=1+0= 1 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19=190=1+9+0=1 1+3+5+7+9+11+13+15+17+19=100=1+0+0=1 19=1 19=1+9=10 1+0=1 19x19=361 3+6+1=10 1+0=1 19x19x19=6859=28 2+8=10 1+0=1 19 * infinite 19=1 Adding digits of any number product of 9 results 9. 1125324= 1+1+2+5+3+2+4=18=1+8=9

19=1 !!!!!!!!!!!


Seems to be a false conclusion,in my minds we have to get down these mathematical theories, we must focuse on Quran teachings!!!

It's right. If only one condition is true:

19 ≡ 1(mod 9)

Peace.

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Seems to be a false conclusion,in my minds we have to get down these mathematical theories, we must focuse on Quran teachings!!!

First proof then content. code 19 is not "theory" it is fact and solid sign of our Creator.

I wouldclike to see your reason for "false conclusion".
Which part and why?

All Quran teching is ending here:
[2:62]
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, an
the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in t
Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their
recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will the
grieve.

Sohail Maskeen wrote on Wed, 03 November 2004 13:11

19=1 !!!!!!!!!!! Seems to be a false conclusion,in my minds we have to get down these mathematical theories, we must focuse on Quran teachings!!!

It is called continous summation.
19 gives us = 1 + 9 = 10
10 gives us = 1 + 0 = 1

Similarly,
19 x 19 gives us = 361
361 gives us = 3 + 6 + 1 = 10
10 gives us = 1 + 0 = 1

19 x 19 x 19 ....... x 19 will result in continous summation = 1.



This algorithm is very well known to mathematicians. If you have taken college level Discrete Mathematics then your professor should have shown you this algorithm. I will illustrate one of the use of this algorithm:

Continous summation algorithm is used to verify multiplication of 2 numbers. This is useful if you are multiplying 2 large numbers. For example, lets take two number 249 and 176 (this two numbers are random, just off the top of my head).

249 x 176 = 43824 (using calculator)

Now let us verify if this is correct using continous summation. Algorithm is like this:
1. Take left hand side two numbers and reduce them to smallest unit using continous summation.
2. Multiply the reduced two numbers and then reduce the resulting number to smallest unit using continous summation. This is your left hand side result.
3. Take right hand side (the result) and reduce it into smallest unit using continous summation. This is your right hand side result.
4. Two sides should equal. If they are not equal then there was error in multiplying the numbers.

Applying the algorithm:
a) Left side continous summation:
249 x 176
=> (2 + 4 + 9) x (1 + 7 + 6)
=> (15) x (14)
=> (1 + 5) x (1 + 4)
=> 6 x 5
=> 30
=> (3 + 0)
=> 3
Thus the smallest unit after continous summation of left side is: 3

b) Right hand side continous summation:
43824
=> (4 + 3 + 8 + 2 + 4)
=> 21
=> (2 + 1)
=> 3

Therefore, left side = right side, thus our multiplication operation of 249 x 176 = 43824 was correct.

If two sides weren't eqaul then we made error in multiplication. This algorithm was very useful during pre-calculator days. Multiplying 2 longs numbers and verifying is a tedious process. But using this algorithm you can easily verify.

Peace
I appreciate your concern and your detailed well done explaining the base for such summation. I never was good in Math and actually I was under average whole my schooling years. I did not have chance to have college or higher classic education.

Many years later when I saw Rashad used this method in some of his footnote like 27:82.
Such case encouraged me to imitate same method for my search in older code7 which Christians claim for bible.
If I remember it was around couple years ago when such summation was called numerology in same forum. I did my search and found that is a field of math as you explained.

I am updating files which left over after I changed my site hosting company. Many disappeared and I had to redo them from scratch. Good practicing and time consuming
Here is one of them which is linked to your response for information of those are m not aware of such mathematics.

I would appreciate if you check the work and would be happy to hear from you thin this forum or in other one which topics are more specific.
God bless