{"id":3979,"date":"2013-01-08T15:48:50","date_gmt":"2013-01-08T21:48:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/19.org\/?p=3979"},"modified":"2013-01-08T22:06:16","modified_gmt":"2013-01-09T04:06:16","slug":"ismetlestiremediklerimiz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/ismetlestiremediklerimiz\/","title":{"rendered":"\u0130smet\u00f6zelle\u015ftiremediklerimizden misiniz?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"center\">A\u015fa\u011f\u0131da, \u0130smet \u00d6zel \u00fczerine 2005 tarihinde bir \u0130nternet grubunda yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m tart\u0131\u015fmay\u0131<br \/>\nve 2012 y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n Aral\u0131k ay\u0131nda yay\u0131mlanan bir s\u00f6yle\u015fideki \u00a0z\u0131rvalamalar\u0131<br \/>\n\u00fczerine yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131m bir makaleyi bulacaks\u0131n\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-large; color: #ff0000;\"><b style=\"line-height: normal;\">\u0130smet\u00f6zelle\u015ftiremediklerimizden misiniz?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">24 Eyl\u00fcl 2005<br \/>\nwww.19.org<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\" align=\"center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/19.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/\u0130smet-\u00d6zel.jpg\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-3984\" alt=\"\u0130smet \u00d6zel\" src=\"http:\/\/19.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/\u0130smet-\u00d6zel.jpg\" width=\"309\" height=\"230\" srcset=\"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2013\/01\/\u0130smet-\u00d6zel.jpg 643w, https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2013\/01\/\u0130smet-\u00d6zel-150x111.jpg 150w, https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2013\/01\/\u0130smet-\u00d6zel-300x223.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 309px) 100vw, 309px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>ED\u0130P<\/strong>: Amerika&#8217;n\u0131n en milliyet\u00e7i ve dindar liderlerinden biri Pat Robertson, Venezuela&#8217;n\u0131n se\u00e7ilmi\u015f liderinin Amerika taraf\u0131ndan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmesini istemi\u015fti ge\u00e7enlerde&#8230; Arap milliyet\u00e7isi, Alman milliyet\u00e7isi, Yahudi milliyet\u00e7isi, Amerikan milliyet\u00e7isi, T\u00fcrk milliyet\u00e7isi, K\u00fcrt milliyet\u00e7isi&#8230; t\u00fcm milliyet\u00e7ilerin ortak \u00f6zellikleri var: cahil, ba\u011fnaz, ay\u0131r\u0131mc\u0131, kibirli, bencil, kan d\u00f6k\u00fcc\u00fc&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Evrensel olam\u0131yan bir ahlak prensibini adaletsiz, \u00e7eli\u015fkili ve t\u00fcm insanl\u0131k i\u00e7in zararl\u0131 buluyorum. \u0130smet \u00d6zel&#8217;in s\u00f6yle\u015fisinde yer alan &#8220;Allah T\u00fcrk milletini \u00fcst\u00fcn yaratt\u0131&#8221; ifadesini Kuran&#8217;\u0131n temel prensiplerine ayk\u0131r\u0131 buldu\u011fum gibi, o ifadeyi bilimsel olarak de\u011fersiz ve hatta anlams\u0131z, politik olarak da T\u00fcrkler i\u00e7in zararl\u0131 hormonlar i\u00e7eren bir tez olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. Selam.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CUMHUR KAYGUSUZ<\/strong>: &#8220;bu nedenle, azeriler &#8220;biyolojik olarak t\u00fcrk olabilir&#8221; ama bana g\u00f6re kafirle \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 g\u00f6ze alamad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in &#8220;t\u00fcrk de\u011fildir&#8221; diyor, ismet \u00f6zel&#8230; biraz daha dikkatli okuyal\u0131m&#8230;. selam ile&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>ED\u0130P<\/strong>: Selam Cumhur: Erdemin sadece &#8220;kafir&#8221; ile kavga etmek ile s\u0131n\u0131rlanmas\u0131 ayr\u0131 bir tart\u0131\u015fma konusu. Benim bildi\u011fim, T\u00fcrk kelimesi bir inanc veya dini ifade etmiyor. \u0130smet, islam kelimesi yerine T\u00fcrk kelimesini kullan\u0131yor. Zira Kafir kelimesinin dilimizde ve dinimizin kitab\u0131nda kar\u015f\u0131t\u0131 M\u00fcsl\u00fcman veya M\u00fcmindir.<\/p>\n<p>Kafirle sava\u015fan olsa olsa bir ba\u015fka kafirdir veya m\u00fcsl\u00fcmand\u0131r. Dahas\u0131, kafirle sava\u015fan Arap olabilir, K\u00fcrt olabilir, \u0130ngiliz olabilir, Yahudi olabilir&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Ya \u0130smet&#8217;in kafas\u0131 kar\u0131\u015f\u0131k veya &#8220;kelimelerin anlam\u0131n\u0131 kayd\u0131rma&#8221; konusunda azimli&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><b>AHMET<\/b>: &#8220;Akidesine bakilmadan, Nomos icin, namus icin mucadele eden turktur yani&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><b>ED\u0130P<\/b>: Selam&#8230; Anlam\u0131yorum&#8230; &#8220;Kafira kar\u015f\u0131 sava\u015fan T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr&#8230; Namus i\u00e7in \u00f6len T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr.&#8221; gibi anlams\u0131z, keyfi, uydurma, komik yeni tan\u0131mlamalar\u0131 i\u015fitince, hem de bunun \u00f6\u011frenim g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f ki\u015filer taraf\u0131ndan savunuldu\u011funu g\u00f6r\u00fcnce, galiba &#8220;Amerikalarda kafay\u0131 yemi\u015fim&#8221; diye akl\u0131mdan \u015f\u00fcphe mi etmeliyim? Haydi hep beraber ismetle\u015felim:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">Zulme kar\u015f\u0131 sava\u015fan T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr.<br \/>\nZulme kar\u015f\u0131 sava\u015fmayan K\u00fcrtt\u00fcr.<br \/>\nSoka\u011fa \u00e7\u00f6p atmayan T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr.<br \/>\nSoka\u011fa \u00e7\u00f6p atan Ermenidir.<br \/>\nKafas\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fanlar T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr.<br \/>\nGeri zekal\u0131lar Arapt\u0131r.<br \/>\nVergi veren T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr.<br \/>\nVergi vermeyen Frans\u0131zd\u0131r.<br \/>\nT\u00fcrk\u00e7e konu\u015fan T\u00fcrkt\u00fcr.<br \/>\nKedice miyavlayan kedidir.<\/p>\n<p>\u0130smet&#8217;in T\u00fcrk kelimesini sanki bir din, bir felsefi ekol, veya ahlaki bir ideolojiymi\u015f gibi kullanmas\u0131 hem sa\u00e7ma, hem de pratikte hi\u00e7bir yarar\u0131 olmayan, avutucu, \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 duygular\u0131 kabart\u0131c\u0131, \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 k\u00f6r\u00fckleyici ve b\u00f6l\u00fcc\u00fc bir hezeyand\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p>Dedimya, Amerikadan yaz\u0131yorum. Buradaki f\u0131rt\u0131nalar beynimi fena etkilemi\u015f olabilir. \u0130flas etmi\u015f T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fck ideolojisini \u015fimdi de ismet makam\u0131nda m\u00fczik e\u015fli\u011finde minare g\u00f6lgesi ekleyerek tekrar f\u0131r\u0131na koyup sunmakla yediremezsiniz. En az\u0131ndan benim gibi anadili unutturulmu\u015f bir K\u00fcrt yemez! Amac\u0131n\u0131z onu sadece T\u00fcrklere yedirmekse, valla minare g\u00f6lgesini eklemenize, hatta \u0131s\u0131tman\u0131za gerek yok: T\u00fcrklerden yiyeni yemi\u015f, yemeyenleri ise o \u015feytani herzeyi bir kilometre \u00f6teden kokusundan tan\u0131yor.<\/p>\n<p><b>CUMHUR<\/b>: S\u00f6z &#8216;Allah T\u00fcrk milletini di\u011fer milletlerden \u00fcst\u00fcn yaratt\u0131&#8217; olacak. &#8216;K\u00e2firle \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 g\u00f6ze alan M\u00fcsl\u00fcman\u2019a T\u00fcrk denir&#8217; ifadesini de dikkate ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda bu nas\u0131l \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k olmaktad\u0131r, anlayamad\u0131m. Bu iddiaya g\u00f6re mesela Hugo Chavez&#8217;de T\u00fcrk, Subcommandante Marcos&#8217;da T\u00fcrk, Sandinistalar da T\u00fcrk, \u0130srail buldozerlerinin \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc Rachel Corrie de T\u00fcrk. \u015eimdi bu nas\u0131l \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k oluyor?<\/p>\n<p><b>ED\u0130P<\/b>: Anlatay\u0131m sevgili Cumhur. O zaman gel \u015funu s\u00f6yleyelim:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">&#8220;Kafirle \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 g\u00f6ze alan M\u00fcsl\u00fcman&#8217;a Arap denir.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">veya<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">&#8220;Kafas\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan M\u00fcsl\u00fcmana K\u00fcrt denir.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Buna g\u00f6re Einstein de K\u00fcrtt\u00fcr, Sokrates te K\u00fcrtt\u00fcr!<\/p>\n<p>Ismet&#8217;e kat\u0131lanlar tutarl\u0131 olacaklarsa yukar\u0131daki ifademe de kat\u0131lmal\u0131lar. Kat\u0131lm\u0131yorlarsa o zaman K\u00fcrt de\u011filler; yani kafalar\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fm\u0131yor \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Fasit-daire diye bilinen mant\u0131k hatas\u0131n\u0131n olu\u015fturdu\u011fu toz f\u0131rt\u0131nas\u0131n\u0131n i\u00e7inde hava atmaya g\u00fczel bir \u00f6rnek.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000; font-size: x-large;\"><b style=\"line-height: normal;\">\u0130smet \u00d6zel: 26:221-226 Ayetlerinde Tan\u0131mlanan \u015eairlerden Biri<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">Edip Y\u00fcksel<br \/>\n8 Ocak 2013<br \/>\nwww.19.org<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u0130smet \u00d6zel sol kanattan bize transfer olunca b\u00fcy\u00fck bir sevin\u00e7le kar\u015f\u0131lam\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Benden on\u00fc\u00e7 ya\u015f b\u00fcy\u00fckt\u00fc. 1980&#8217;lerde \u0130smet \u0130slamc\u0131 \u00e7evreler i\u00e7inde \u00fcnl\u00fc bir \u015fair, ben de \u00fcnl\u00fc bir yazar ve gen\u00e7lik lideri iken \u00fcslubumuz ve m\u00fccadele y\u00f6ntemimiz ve tak\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z mekanlar farkl\u0131 idi. T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de kitaplar\u0131 en \u00e7ok satan yazarlar listesinde bir numara oldu\u011fum y\u0131llarda bile sokaklarda m\u00fccadele veriyordum. Hi\u00e7bir vakit fildi\u015fi kulelerde ya\u015famay\u0131 istemedim. Ancak bu arkada\u015f\u0131n burnu o zamanda havalarda idi. Genelde kendisi gibi baz\u0131 yazarlar ve \u015fairler ile tak\u0131l\u0131r ve arada bir o y\u0131llarda dini kitap satan d\u00fckk\u00e2nlar\u0131n yer ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 Beyaz\u0131t&#8217;taki Beyaz Saray&#8217;a u\u011frard\u0131.<\/p>\n<p>Bir g\u00fcn yollar\u0131m\u0131z Tohum Yay\u0131nevine ait kitap\u00e7\u0131da kesi\u015fti. Kitapevini bir grup \u00fcniversite \u00f6\u011frencisi doldurmu\u015ftu. \u0130lk kez \u0130smet ile Edip&#8217;i kar\u015f\u0131 kar\u015f\u0131ya g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015flerdi. O zaman Yusuf&#8217;un 40&#8217;\u0131nc\u0131 Emri adl\u0131 bir \u015fiir kitab\u0131m yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Cezaevindeyken yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131m \u015fiirimsi sloganlar\u0131 ve birka\u00e7 g\u00fczel \u015fiiri i\u00e7eriyordu. \u0130smet masaya kurulmu\u015ftu; bense ayakta idim.<\/p>\n<p>\u0130kimiz de S\u00fcnni idik o zamanlar. \u0130kimiz de Milli Selamet Partisi b\u00fcnyesinde \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorduk. Ama kan\u0131m\u0131z o zamanlar da kaynamad\u0131. \u0130smet&#8217;in damarlar\u0131nda ta\u015f\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 &#8220;asil kan\u0131&#8221; kastetmiyorum. Farkl\u0131 d\u00fcnyalar\u0131n \u00e7ocu\u011fu idik&#8230; Ben cezaevinden yeni \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. \u00dc\u00e7-bu\u00e7uk y\u0131l\u0131n bir y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131 i\u015fkence alt\u0131nda ge\u00e7irmi\u015ftim. Orada \u015fiir \u00fczerine bir tart\u0131\u015fma yapt\u0131k. Kendisini esoterik ve anlam\u0131 belirsiz sisli ifadeler \u00fcretmekle ve \u0130slamc\u0131 gen\u00e7li\u011fi l\u00fczumsuz laflarla me\u015fgul etmekle su\u00e7lay\u0131p ele\u015ftirdiydim\u2026 Etraf\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 saran gen\u00e7ler iki grubu ayr\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Tart\u0131\u015fma san\u0131r\u0131m yar\u0131m saat kadar s\u00fcrd\u00fc. Ondan sonra kendisiyle bir daha y\u00fczy\u00fcze g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme ve tart\u0131\u015fma ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmedi.<\/p>\n<p>Bu adam hi\u00e7bir vakit m\u00fcsl\u00fcman olmad\u0131&#8230; S\u00fcnni oldu, Nak\u015fi oldu, T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fc oldu. \u015eimdi de 49:13; 30:19-22 ve daha nice ayetlere inat S\u00fcnnilik+Osmanl\u0131c\u0131l\u0131k+T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fck sentezini sat\u0131yor\u2026 Maalesef, egosuna tapan bir kelime cambaz\u0131&#8230; Fa\u015fizmi s\u00f6zlerin duman\u0131yla vaftizleyen bir sihirbaz. \u015e\u00f6yle z\u0131rval\u0131yor:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Allah bana T\u00fcrk olmay\u0131 bah\u015fetti\u2026 Akl\u0131m ermeye ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan beri T\u00fcrk olman\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck bir kazan\u00e7 oldu\u011funu bilerek ya\u015fad\u0131m\u2026 Allah T\u00fcrkleri di\u011fer milletlerden \u00fcst\u00fcn yaratm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Trajikomik\u2026 &#8220;Akl\u0131m ermeye ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan beri\u2026 &#8221; diyor. \u0130smet bilmiyor ki, i\u015fte o zaman akl\u0131na y\u00fczde y\u00fcz ihanet etti\u011fi zaman imi\u015f!<\/p>\n<p>\u0130bret i\u00e7in dinleyin:<\/p>\n<p><iframe width=\"730\" height=\"411\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/p-oltklDwEk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><b>\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A\u015fa\u011f\u0131da, \u0130smet \u00d6zel \u00fczerine 2005 tarihinde bir \u0130nternet grubunda yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m tart\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 ve 2012 y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n Aral\u0131k ay\u0131nda yay\u0131mlanan bir s\u00f6yle\u015fideki \u00a0z\u0131rvalamalar\u0131 \u00fczerine yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131m bir makaleyi bulacaks\u0131n\u0131z. \u0130smet\u00f6zelle\u015ftiremediklerimizden misiniz? 24 Eyl\u00fcl 2005 www.19.org ED\u0130P: Amerika&#8217;n\u0131n en milliyet\u00e7i ve dindar liderlerinden biri Pat Robertson, Venezuela&#8217;n\u0131n se\u00e7ilmi\u015f liderinin Amerika taraf\u0131ndan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmesini istemi\u015fti ge\u00e7enlerde&#8230; Arap milliyet\u00e7isi, Alman milliyet\u00e7isi, Yahudi milliyet\u00e7isi, &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/ismetlestiremediklerimiz\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading &lsquo;\u0130smet\u00f6zelle\u015ftiremediklerimizden misiniz?&rsquo; &raquo;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,641],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3979","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-edipyuksel","category-turk-sorunu"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3979","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3979"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3979\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3979"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3979"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/19.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3979"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}